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The Tremendous Trump Thread - Første periode (Les førstepost)

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Republikanerene i senatet i Pennsylvania driver på med en ekstremt farlig farse i senatet sitt, som de har lært av sjefsnautet sitt:

De mener nå at, fra nå av, så må et republikansk flertall mene at valget gikk riktig for seg -- loven og resultater og folkets vilje og domstolene be damned -- for at noen skal få lov til å være senator.


https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/spl/jim-brewster-pennsylvania-senate-gop-refuse-to-seat-nicole-ziccarelli-20210104.html

 

...det republikanske partiet i Pennsylvania har altså gått over til den mørke siden.

 

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Denne saken fra Axios vedr. valget i Georgia og Trumps hjelp for å hale i land seieren har fått omtale i nyhetskanaler i dag.
Kort utdrag her.
 

The Trump implosion
https://www.axios.com/trump-georgia-senate-implosion-9b8d46df-d616-4804-a216-2e03a1ed549a.html

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Republicans, who enabled President Trump with their silence and compliance, are privately furious with him for blowing their Senate majority.

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It's a fitting and predictable end to Trump’s reign.
The party has now lost the House, Senate and White House on his watch.
He leaves Democrats in full control of Washington's agenda, with only the Supreme Court's conservative majority as a counterweight.

 

Her omtales også forsøket på å stoppe Bidens valgseier i kongressen senere i dag.

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As a curtain call for Trumpism, approximately a dozen senators and 100+ House Republicans today will publicly support an idea that many of them think is idiotic and doomed to fail, as they protest congressional certification of President-elect Biden's victory.

 

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Trump mener fortsatt at Pence må fikse dette for ham under dagens autorisering av valgresultatet, men Pence skal visstnok ha fortalt Biden at prosessen vil gå som normalt, uten noen obstruksjon fra hans side.

Trumps tweets er merket som omstridt, som vanlig i det siste. Virkeligheten kan være litt teit når den er en annen enn hva han påstår.

 

Her er forøvrig hva amerikansk lov sier om dagens møte i kongressen.

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Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors.

The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer.

Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses.

 

Resten av teksten fra 3 U.S. Code § 15 
OBS: Lange setninger.

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Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 675.)

 

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Det som er mest spesielt er ellers oppegående republikanere som visste hva som kom til å skje, men som bare tok på seg en MAGA-caps og maske, og startet et langvarig skuespill, som fremdeles pågår.

...og Proud Boys er allerede i gang med volden;
 

...men det er ingen grunn til å tro at de orker å fortsette spesielt lenge -- selv om faren for at low-effort angrep, terrorisme med våpen de allerede eier, er en trussel.

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Live nå:

Felles møte i kongressen (Joint Session of Congress) hvor det skal telles valgmannstemmer, og hvor republikanske representanter er ventet å protestere, som fører til noen timer med debatt. Hvor lang tid det tar avhenger av hvor mange protester det kommer. Det vil ikke endre resultatet, noe flere av dem allerede har sagt de er klar over, ifølge nyhetsdekningen.

Direkte i nyhetskanaler og på nett:

 

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Kvinne skutt og i kritisk tilstand i kongressbygningen ifølge NRK/CNN. Håper virkelig republikanerene som stilltiende har godtatt det Trump har holdt på med, spesielt siden han tapte valget, er stolte av det de har fått til.

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Det meldes at arbeidet med å stille Trump for riksrett og avsette han som president har startet.

Sitat fra VG.no:

Nå er tiden inne for Pence å starte en prosess under det 25. grunnlovstillegget.

Det er et grunnlovstillegg som tillater visepresidenten å fjerne presidenten fra jobben sammen med Kongressen eller ande makter dersom de erklærer presidenten ute av stand til å gjøre jobben sin.

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