Krigen mellom Israel og Hamas

[DukeNukem3d]

Rhabagatz skrev (20 minutter siden):

Hungersnøden i Gaza går sin gang.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/15/babies-children-gaza-famine

 

Så nødhjelpen som Israel slipper inn kommer ikke frem til de som trenger det?

[Ørjanø]

DukeNukem3d skrev (2 minutter siden):

Så nødhjelpen som Israel slipper inn kommer ikke frem til de som trenger det?

Det gjør den nok. Men hadde hjulpet mye om Israel slapp inn nok nødhjelp så ikke folk sultet. 

[DukeNukem3d]

Ørjanø skrev (15 minutter siden):

Det gjør den nok. Men hadde hjulpet mye om Israel slapp inn nok nødhjelp så ikke folk sultet. 

Det ble nå lagt ut link på at de har sluppet inn langt mer i det siste fra en annen debattant her.

Endret 15. april 2024 av DukeNukem3d

[Ørjanø]

DukeNukem3d skrev (6 minutter siden):

Det ble nå lagt ut link på at de har sluppet inn langt mer i det siste fra en annen debattant her.

Fra COGAT? 

Om de så slipper inn mer, slippes det ikke inn nok. I tillegg er det oftest lastebiler med mat som blir hindret. 

 

[DukeNukem3d]

Ørjanø skrev (3 minutter siden):

Fra COGAT? 

Om de så slipper inn mer, slippes det ikke inn nok. I tillegg er det oftest lastebiler med mat som blir hindret. 

 

Nei, bekreftet av USA.

“The aid has increased and quite dramatically in just the last few days,” Kirby said in an interview with MSNBC. “That’s important but it has to be sustained.”

Aid to Gaza has increased dramatically, White House’s Kirby says
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/aid-to-gaza-has-increased-dramatically-white-houses-kirby-says/

Endret 15. april 2024 av DukeNukem3d

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DukeNukem3d skrev (35 minutter siden):

Så nødhjelpen som Israel slipper inn kommer ikke frem til de som trenger det?

Pleier nødhjelp til Gaza å komme frem til de som trenger den da?
Den pleier vel vanligvis havne i lomma på Hamas…

[Aviene]

I Danmark ruller det nå opp en skandale...

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2024-04-10-danskeres-donationer-til-gaza-er-endt-hos-hamas-stoetter

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Aviene skrev (Akkurat nå):

I Danmark ruller det nå opp en skandale...

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2024-04-10-danskeres-donationer-til-gaza-er-endt-hos-hamas-stoetter

Overrasker meg dessverre ikke.

[Ørjanø]

DukeNukem3d skrev (59 minutter siden):

Nei, bekreftet av USA.

“The aid has increased and quite dramatically in just the last few days,” Kirby said in an interview with MSNBC. “That’s important but it has to be sustained.”

Aid to Gaza has increased dramatically, White House’s Kirby says
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/aid-to-gaza-has-increased-dramatically-white-houses-kirby-says/

Hjelper jo lite om det har økt, men ikke er nok. 

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Ørjanø skrev (5 minutter siden):

Hjelper jo lite om det har økt, men ikke er nok. 

Blir visst aldri nok…

[0laf]

Hamas makes it clear it doesn't want a ceasefire:

On Saturday night, Hamas officially rejected the latest ceasefire proposal.
Last night, Ynet quoted a senior White House official who said Hamas rejected a hostage release/ceasefire offer that included "everything it asked for," proving that Sinwar isn't really interested in reaching a deal.

Today,  N12News, citing senior Israeli officials, reported that Hamas upped its demands and is now only willing to release ~20 hostages in exchange for a six-week ceasefire and is demanding more Palestinian prisoners be released for each freed hostage, as well as the number of terrorists serving life sentences. Hamas also continues to demand the full withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza.

[Tussi]

0laf skrev (16 minutter siden):

Hamas makes it clear it doesn't want a ceasefire:

On Saturday night, Hamas officially rejected the latest ceasefire proposal.
Last night, Ynet quoted a senior White House official who said Hamas rejected a hostage release/ceasefire offer that included "everything it asked for," proving that Sinwar isn't really interested in reaching a deal.

Today,  N12News, citing senior Israeli officials, reported that Hamas upped its demands and is now only willing to release ~20 hostages in exchange for a six-week ceasefire and is demanding more Palestinian prisoners be released for each freed hostage, as well as the number of terrorists serving life sentences. Hamas also continues to demand the full withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza.

På tide å gå inn i Rafah nå, tilby hamaslederne å dra til Qatar mot en total nedleggelse av våpnene, og hvis ikke fjerne Hamas fra Rafah totalt, vise Iran at nå er deres "hamaskamerater" historie i Israels grenseområder 

Endret 15. april 2024 av Tussi

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Tussi skrev (2 minutter siden):

På tide å gå inn i Rafah nå, tilby hamaslederne å dra til Qatar mot en total nedleggelse av våpnene, og hvisnille fjerne Hamas fra Rafah totalt, vise Iran at nå er deres "hamaskamerater" historie i Israels grenseområder 

Jepp.

Og helst finne en måte å avlive topplederne deres som gjemmer seg i Quatar, etterpå. Helst litt subtilt om mulig.

[0laf]

Tussi skrev (22 minutter siden):

På tide å gå inn i Rafah nå...

 

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[UglaSukk]

Analyse fra en som mener Iran har endret spillet med dette angrepet :

"But last night, Iran penetrated every missile shield manned and operated by NATO itself, with all the trappings and advanced C4ISR and SIGINT capabilities inherent to the entire Western alliance; from THAAD, to Patriot, David’s Sling, Arrow-3, SM-3, Iron Dome, and even ‘C-Dome’ from Israeli corvettes—not to mention the entire complement of the West’s most advanced A2A defenses flown from F-35s, Typhoons, Eurofighters, and likely much more.

(...)

Secondly, recall the main fear of Iraqi Scarabs and Scuds back in the day: that they could contain chemical/biological warheads. Iran too could technically load its missiles with all kinds of nasty goodies of this sort: either chem-bio or even unenriched Uranium—which it has aplenty—to create a ‘dirty bomb’. Now that we know it can penetrate Israel easily, Iran could actually wipe the country out with a mass un-enriched nuclear, chemical, or biological attack with these now-proven hyper- or quasi-hypersonic ballistics. That threat alone now presents a psychological Damocles Sword that will act as asymmetrical deterrent or counter to any Israeli Samson Option threat."

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iran-breaches-anglo-zionist-defenses?utm_medium=email

 

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UglaSukk skrev (22 minutter siden):

Analyse fra en som mener Iran har endret spillet med dette angrepet :

"But last night, Iran penetrated every missile shield manned and operated by NATO itself, with all the trappings and advanced C4ISR and SIGINT capabilities inherent to the entire Western alliance; from THAAD, to Patriot, David’s Sling, Arrow-3, SM-3, Iron Dome, and even ‘C-Dome’ from Israeli corvettes—not to mention the entire complement of the West’s most advanced A2A defenses flown from F-35s, Typhoons, Eurofighters, and likely much more.

(...)

Secondly, recall the main fear of Iraqi Scarabs and Scuds back in the day: that they could contain chemical/biological warheads. Iran too could technically load its missiles with all kinds of nasty goodies of this sort: either chem-bio or even unenriched Uranium—which it has aplenty—to create a ‘dirty bomb’. Now that we know it can penetrate Israel easily, Iran could actually wipe the country out with a mass un-enriched nuclear, chemical, or biological attack with these now-proven hyper- or quasi-hypersonic ballistics. That threat alone now presents a psychological Damocles Sword that will act as asymmetrical deterrent or counter to any Israeli Samson Option threat."

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iran-breaches-anglo-zionist-defenses?utm_medium=email

 

Hvilken planet befinner han seg på?
»Penetrate easily»? De greide å skade 1 arabisk jente.

[Simen1]

leifeinar skrev (På 14.4.2024 den 18.44):

Oppi Iran angrep så har Israel siste døgn  drept 52 palestinere, det gir 36 kvinner og barn med den 70% vi har sett.  95 skadde.

Så det et ikke slutt på krigsforbrytelser selv om de er under press

Hvor mange av disse (52, 36 og 95) var Hamas-terrorister?

Hvor mange av disse (52, 36 og 95) var krigsforbrytelser? Hvordan kan det tallet underbygges/dokumenteres på en mer troverdig måte enn å vise til terroristenes egne tall?

Hvor mange prosent av drepte Israelere, skyldtes krigsforbrytelser/terror?

Endret 15. april 2024 av Simen1

[Snikpellik]

Times of Israel har gjort et interessant intervju med en palestinsk journalist på Gazastripen. Han forteller om livet der nå, hva folk gjør for å overleve og hva de tenker om situasjonen nå, om Hamas osv.

Gazan journalist to ToI: We, the people of Gaza, are also living like hostages of Hamas
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gazan-journalist-to-toi-we-the-people-of-gaza-are-also-living-like-hostages-of-hamas/

Utdrag:

Sitat

But what would people prefer? To live under Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, or Israel?

Ninety percent of the people in Gaza don’t want Hamas, in any way. [This is Obeid’s personal estimate.] They know that Israel considers Hamas terrorists and will impose limitations on Gaza if it stays in power.

People would much prefer the PA to Hamas, but what is Hamas going to do if the PA is restored here? Go to Qatar? Hamas will not allow the PA to rule undisturbed. The lands of Hamas, of the Muslim Brotherhood, are here in Gaza – while their billions are in Qatar. So they will put up a fight.

Hamas is now conducting negotiations with Israel. Do you think that when they are over, [Hamas leader Ismail] Haniyeh will tell Israel please come in, please take over?

What Hamas did on October 7 was due to the fact that they knew the people [of Gaza] hated them. Hamas was afraid of the people, there was a growing anti-Hamas sentiment.

If there is no Hamas in Gaza, I will remain here. I am 65, I have traveled around the world, but I love this place. There are good people here, but they cannot manage themselves. They need an outsider to control them. Of course, the PA could take over, but I think that if the Jews [i.e. Israelis] are smart, they will annex Gaza.

Endret 16. april 2024 av Snikpellik

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