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Kviterussland og Russland om bytteavtale

Presidenten i Russland, Vladimir Putin og presidenten i Kviterussland, Aleksandr Lukasjenko er blitt einige om ein bytteavtale, melder Kviterusslands statlege nyheitsbyrå. 

Russland skal levere militærutstyr til Kviterussland, medan Russland skal få moderne landbruksteknologi, skriv Reuters.

Lukasjenko er ein nær støttespelar for Putin, og har tillat russiske styrker via Kviterussland for å angripe Ukraina.

Høyrest ut som ein kjempeavtale for at Kviterussland skal få tak i de gamle rælet til Putin.

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ism_InnleggNO skrev (43 minutter siden):

Det forskes på virus mange plasser i verden. Ikke for å brukes som våpen, men rett og slett for å forstå virus og sykdommer bedre. Virus som våpen er en tullete ide som er mer sci-fi enn virkelighet.

Covid-19 fikk hele verden til å knele.

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15 minutes ago, Mr.M said:

USA frykter russiske styrker skal ta kontroll over biologisk materiale

https://forsvaretsforum.no/russland-ukraina-usa/usa-frykter-russiske-styrker-skal-ta-kontroll-over-biologisk-materiale/252493

 

men, i FN står de å sier at det ikke eksisterer.

snakk om å tale med to tunger. :nei:

Bilogisk matriale trenger ikke bety at det er bilogiske/kjemiske våpen eller er tenkt til å bli brukt til slikt

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1 hour ago, ism_InnleggNO said:

Virus som våpen er en tullete ide som er mer sci-fi enn virkelighet.

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During the French and Indian War, in June 1763 a group of Native Americans laid siege to British-held Fort Pitt. The commander of Fort Pitt, Henry Bouquet, ordered his men to take smallpox-infested blankets from the infirmary and give it to a Lenape delegation during the siege.

During the American Revolutionary War General George Washington heard a report that British General William Howe was going to send people inoculated with smallpox out from Boston, in order to infect other Americans. 

 

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Biological sabotage in the form of anthrax and glanders was undertaken on behalf of the Imperial German government during World War I (1914–1918), with indifferent results. The Geneva Protocol of 1925 prohibited the use of chemical and biological weapons.

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The most notorious program of the period was run by the secret Imperial Japanese Army Unit 731 during the war, based at Pingfan in Manchuria and commanded by Lieutenant General Shirō Ishii. This unit biological warfare, conducted often fatal human experiments on prisoners, and produced biological weapons for combat use.[41] Although the Japanese effort lacked the technological sophistication of the American or British programs, it far outstripped them in its widespread application and indiscriminate brutality. Biological weapons were used against Chinese soldiers and civilians in several military campaigns.

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In 1940, the Japanese Army Air Force bombed Ningbo with ceramic bombs full of fleas carrying the bubonic plague.Many of these operations were ineffective due to inefficient delivery systems,[41] although up to 400,000 people may have died. During the Zhejiang-Jiangxi Campaign in 1942, around 1,700 Japanese troops died out of a total 10,000 Japanese soldiers who fell ill with disease when their own biological weapons attack rebounded on their own forces.

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During the final months of World War II, Japan planned to use plague as a biological weapon against U.S. civilians in San Diego, California, during Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night. The plan was set to launch on 22 September 1945, but it was not executed because of Japan's surrender on 15 August 1945.

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In Britain, the 1950s saw the weaponization of plague, brucellosis, tularemia and later equine encephalomyelitis and vaccinia viruses, but the programme was unilaterally cancelled in 1956. The United States Army Biological Warfare Laboratories weaponized anthrax, tularemia, brucellosis, Q-fever and others.

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Ideal characteristics of a biological agent to be used as a weapon against humans are high infectivity, high virulence, non-availability of vaccines and availability of an effective and efficient delivery system. Stability of the weaponized agent (the ability of the agent to retain its infectivity and virulence after a prolonged period of storage) may also be desirable, particularly for military applications, and the ease of creating one is often considered. Control of the spread of the agent may be another desired characteristic.

 

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Mr.M skrev (46 minutter siden):

Hvem tror vi på da?

Ikke de med bombene åpenbart, hvis de kan sprenge en lab og slippe ut biologiske våpen så kan det vel like enkelt være biologiske våpen i bomba de bruker. Når det i tillegg er de som snakker om bruken av disse biologiske våpen så kjenner man jo etter hvert lusa på gangen. 

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Just now, Lodium said:

Det forskes på virus, kreft og andre sykkdommer i Norske labratorier

Vil du si denne fordskningen er tenkt brukt til kjemiske eller bilogiske våpen?

Vil du si at det går an å være mer usaklig? Uten å vite noe som helst om programmet og materialet på lokasjonen i Ukraina er det umulig å si hva forskningen gikk ut på.

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Theo343 skrev (2 minutter siden):

Uten å vite noe som helst om programmet og materialet på lokasjonen i Ukraina er det umulig å si hva forskningen gikk ut på.

enig.

for alt vi vet, ble ikke Sovjet-era laboratorium i Ukraina, avviklet helt fra 2005 slik det var en avtale mellom Ukraina og USA, som skulle hjelpe dem med det. Tvertimot kan virksomheten ha fortsatt i en eller annen form. Ukraina stod i takknemlighetsgjeld og USA kunne dra nytte av type forskning de ikke ville eller kunne drive med på hjemmebane.

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Ang. virkelig forskning. Ikke science-fiction.

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For governments, the preparation of large amounts of a virus whose particles are fairly stable and long-lived, such as smallpox, is feasible. It is believed that the former Soviet Union had done so, as discussed earlier. The virus could be delivered using a medical nebulizer (see Fig. 22.14) or through the use of suicidal volunteers who would deliberately infect themselves and then travel to densely populated target areas. They would mingle with as many people as possible, by attending large events and utilizing mass transit. However, transmission requires close contact, and when a person is most contagious, he may be feeling far too ill to actually walk around in public.

Though many viruses are difficult to culture in large amounts and are unstable during storage, several others have been considered as possible biological warfare agents:

  •  Filovirus. Ebola and Marburg viruses make up a family of negative single-stranded (ss) RNA viruses, known as the Filoviruses, which form long, thin filaments. Patients vomit and ooze blood from various orifices, including their eyes and ears. Ebola outbreaks in Sudan and Zaire have had 80% to 90% fatality, but closely related strains exist that are not as virulent. For example, in 1989, an Ebola outbreak occurred among long-tailed macaques in a research facility in Reston, Virginia. However, this strain was not lethal to humans. Transmission generally requires substantial exposure to infected body fluids, so filoviruses are difficult to acquire by casual exposure. In practice, this makes them a relatively poor choice for use as a biological warfare agent.
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  •  Flavivirus. Dengue fever and yellow fever are both caused by members of the Flavivirus family. Yellow fever is frequently lethal, whereas dengue is rarely fatal, but it is very painful and incapacitates its victims for several days. However, both are spread by insect bites, which would make their use as biological weapons difficult.
  •  Arenavirus. An Arenavirus that appeared in the Lassa River region of Nigeria in the late 1960s causes Lassa hemorrhagic fever, which symptomatically resembles an Ebola infection. This segmented ssRNA virus has extremely high mortality and is typically spread by rodents.

 

Smallpox is the most likely virus to be used as a biological warfare agent. It is highly infectious, and the death rate may reach 30% to 40%. Other viruses with higher mortality rates may be prohibitively difficult to distribute.

 

 

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Det har vært noen bilder tidligere angående vannmengdene nord for Kiev. Det var da snakk om en flom, men det kan jo også være at man har hjulpet til. Det er vel et vannkraftverk/demning lenger ned som også kan påvirke vannstanden.

Det er ikke tvil om at det kan ha vært en viktig faktor til den dårlige framgangen for Russiske styrker der.

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Mr.M skrev (2 timer siden):

men, i FN står de å sier at det ikke eksisterer.

snakk om å tale med to tunger. :nei:

Du fortsetter ser eg. Anleggene finnes, dette er anlegg fra sovjet, der dei tidligere forsket på og lagde biologiske våpen. Disse anleggene har USA og Ukraina siden 2005 jobbet med å destruere... Kva er det FN står å sier ikkje eksisterer?

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