Kan enkeltpersoner ha jukset med valget?

[hekomo]

Mannen1 skrev (På 8.11.2020 den 14.43):

De danser og jubler i gatene. Samme folk som kritiserer trump for å ikke bry seg om smittevern. Dobbeltmoralistene som har stemt frem krigshauken Biden. 

Hva har det med voldelige høyreekstreme grupper å gjøre?

[hekomo]

debattklovn skrev (På 8.11.2020 den 17.12):

Nei. 

Joda, vi gjør det i Norge.

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Det er verken sunt eller normalt. Hvis du vil at uskyldige skal dø så er det bra å bare la kriminelle være bevæpnet og ikke lovlydige folk.

Det er større sannsynlighet for at noen dør hvis uskyldige er bevæpnet. Det er ekstremt mye lavere sannsynlighet for at en kriminell bruker våpen mot en uskyldig person når han vet at uskyldige personer ikke bærer våpen. Hvis bare kriminelle er bevæpnet er det mer sannsynlig at de bruker våpnene mot hverandre siden de faktisk er en trussel for hverandre, i motsetning til ubevæpnede uskyldige.

Så det er faktisk det du argumenterer for som ville gitt flere uskyldige drepte.  

debattklovn skrev (På 8.11.2020 den 17.16):

Jeg har ikke sagt jeg tror at noen fusket. At demokrater ikke fusket i senatsvalget er __ikke__ bevis på at de ikke fusket i presidentvalget. Det strider mot all logikk.

Men ble ikke begge valgene avholdt samtidig, og på samme stemmesedler? Da er det jo rart at de jukset med det ene men ikke det andre.

Endret 10. november 2020 av hekomo

[hekomo]

CommanderKeen skrev (På 8.11.2020 den 17.45):

Hva kan du egentlig om Biden sin politikk? Det han har sagt, eller det Trump har sagt? For en av de er ikke riktig. 

Man kan jo se på hva slags politikk han har pushet på før? Krigen i Irak, Crime Bill, motstander av abort, motstander av ekteskap for homofile, forsøk på å kutte i sosiale støtteordninger for de svakeste, osv.

[Mannen1]

hekomo skrev (6 timer siden):

Hva har det med voldelige høyreekstreme grupper å gjøre?

Hva har voldelig høyreekstrem med trump å gjøre? Har vært null vold i gatene etter trumps nederlag. For fire år siden derimot var det noen som ikke tålte et tap og gikk til vold. Det var voldelig venstreekstreme..

Endret 11. november 2020 av Mannen1

[Drunkenvalley]

8 hours ago, hekomo said:

Man kan jo se på hva slags politikk han har pushet på før? Krigen i Irak, Crime Bill, motstander av abort, motstander av ekteskap for homofile, forsøk på å kutte i sosiale støtteordninger for de svakeste, osv.

La oss ta emnet om abort...

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Biden has said that if elected, he will work to codify Roe v. Wade, making it federal statutory law, according to his “Agenda for Women.”

His campaign further clarified to PolitiFact that Biden supports the landmark case as understood by another Supreme Court case, Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania vs. Casey, which arguably gave states more room to regulate abortion access and abortion providers.

Biden’s Agenda for Women says he plans to restore federal funding to Planned Parenthood, which was eliminated via a “domestic gag rule” Trump instated.

His views on abortion changed drastically over the decades he spent in office. In 1973, Biden said the Supreme Court went “too far” with Roe v. Wade, and a year later, he said a woman shouldn’t have the “sole right to say what should happen to her body,” the New York Times reported.

He was a supporter of the Hyde Amendment, which bans the use of federal funds for abortions, with the exception of situations involving rape, incest or life-threatening circumstances, until last year, after fellow Democrats Sen. Elizabeth Warren and former Rep. Beto O’Rourke criticized his position, according to Axios.

Så sunn dose skepsis er på sitt rette, men kanskje hold på hatten til me ser kva han gjere.

[Snikpellik]

The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud
The president and his allies have baselessly claimed that rampant voter fraud stole victory from him. Officials contacted by The Times said that there were no irregularities that affected the outcome.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html?action=click&module=ELEX_results&pgtype=Interactive&region=ReporterUpdates
 

AP Explains: Election’s validity intact despite Trump claims
The U.S. presidential election was not tainted by widespread voter fraud or irregularities in how ballots were counted, despite a huge effort by President Donald Trump to prove otherwise. In refusing to concede the election, Trump claims that he would have won were it not for “illegal” votes counted in several states that he lost or where he is currently trailing. But Trump and his allies haven’t offered any proof, and their legal challenges have largely been rejected by the courts.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-explains-election-results-biden-trump-87f530ed144fa895fd907e0c80d45eb8
 

Fact check: News website RealClearPolitics did not withdraw Biden’s Pennsylvania win
A video falsely claiming that RealClearPolitics withdrew President-elect Joe Biden’s win in Pennsylvania has been circulating on social media.
https://in.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pennsylvania/fact-check-news-website-realclearpolitics-did-not-withdraw-bidens-pennsylvania-win-idUSKBN27Q2Z8
 

Fact check: Video shows ballot box stuffing in Russia, not Michigan
Social media users have been sharing a video, claiming that it shows a ballot box in Michigan being stuffed with ballot papers. However, the video was taken in the Moscow region of Russia in the 2018 Russian presidential election.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-election-fraud-russia-michi/fact-check-video-shows-ballot-box-stuffing-in-russia-not-michigan-idUSKBN27Q21W
 

Fact check: Vote spikes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania do not prove election fraud
Social media users have been sharing posts claiming that during the night of Nov. 3 to Nov. 4 there were vote dumps of hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots only for Democrat Joe Biden in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, suggesting this proves voter fraud allegations. These vote spikes did occur, but they also included Trump votes, accounted for largely left-leaning urban counties, and one state experienced a clerical error.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wi-pa-mi-vote-spikes/fact-check-vote-spikes-in-wisconsin-michigan-and-pennsylvania-do-not-prove-election-fraud-idUSKBN27Q307
 

Fact check: Video shows police collecting discarded Amazon packages, not thousands of Trump ballots
Social media users have claimed a video shows police finding thousands of ballots for U.S. President Donald Trump dumped in a field. This is not true; local police report that the footage actually shows discarded Amazon packages.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-packages/fact-check-video-shows-police-collecting-discarded-amazon-packages-not-thousands-of-trump-ballots-idUSKBN27Q2JC
 

Fact check: Prank video does not show poll worker destroying a Trump ballot
Social media users have been sharing a video appearing to show a poll worker destroying a ballot for President Trump. However the clip was created as a joke and does not show a real election official.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-prank-video/fact-check-prank-video-does-not-show-poll-worker-destroying-a-trump-ballot-idUSKBN27Q1NU

Claims that dead people voted went viral. These are the facts
Of the 50, 37 were indeed dead and had not voted, according to the voter information database. Five people out of the 50 had voted -- and they are all still alive, according to public records accessed by CNN. The remaining eight are also alive but didn't vote. The sample CNN reviewed is not representative, but the trend was clear -- not a single one of the names examined was of a dead person voting. The version of the list CNN found has since been removed from the site hosting it.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/08/tech/michigan-dead-voter-fact-debunking/index.html

AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s vote falsehoods, into day of defeat
The most direct attempt to undermine the integrity of the U.S. election with bad information came not from overseas sources or online liars but from a president standing behind the presidential seal at the White House and facing his defeat.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-virus-outbreak-79c34b72633683af195ae945503883fe

US election 2020: Five viral vote claims fact-checked
As President Trump continues to dispute the result of the US election, false or misleading posts have been spreading on social media about the vote. Some have been amplified by President Trump and his team, who have called into question the integrity of the election without providing evidence.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54811410
 

Viral Video Doesn’t Show Fraud by Election Workers in PA
The video is being taken out of context to make “false accusations” and attack the “the integrity of the election staff and the completely transparent process by which votes are being counted in Delaware County,” officials said.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/viral-video-doesnt-show-fraud-by-election-workers-in-pa/

Claim of Michigan Postal Fraud Is Moot
A video from a right-wing activist suggests that U.S. Postal Service employees backdated ballots in Michigan. The claim is unproven, but, even if true, no ballots in the state are accepted after Nov. 3, regardless of the postmark.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/claim-of-michigan-postal-fraud-is-moot/
 

Viral Image Shows Outdated Claims About Detroit Voter Rolls
Facebook users are sharing a meme that alleges a host of inaccuracies in Detroit’s voter rolls in the context of the 2020 election. But the claims stem from a 2019 lawsuit that was withdrawn after the group that filed it said the city had taken action on the issues.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/viral-image-shows-outdated-claims-about-detroit-voter-rolls/

[Drunkenvalley]

Lure på om @debattklovn framleis meine Proud Boys er ein fredelig gruppe...

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“Due to the recent failure of Proud Boy Chairman Enrique Tarrio to conduct himself with honor and courage on the battlefield, it has been decided that I Kyle Chapman reassume my post as President of Proud Boys effective immediately,” Chapman wrote. “We will no longer cuck to the left by appointing token negroes as our leaders. We will no longer allow homosexuals or other ‘undesirables’ into our ranks. We will confront the Zionist criminals who wish to destroy our civilization.”

He also made clear that he believed talk of defending “Western Civilization” was really just a racist dog whistle all along.

“We recognize that the West was built by the White Race alone and we owe nothing to any other race,” he wrote.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/civil-war-brewing-inside-proud-boys-as-top-leader-says-hes-done-pretending-isnt-a-nazi/

[Red Frostraven]

Åh. Wow. 

"It was me, it was me all along..!" -Nynazistene, Proud Boys.

Det er sjeldent å se folk kaste hundefløyten i trynet på egne hundeførere og si sannheten rett ut i disse dager.

Nå kommer jo venstresiden til å anklage dem for rasisme.

Stakkars spader.

[hekomo]

Mannen1 skrev (På 11.11.2020 den 6.28):

Hva har voldelig høyreekstrem med trump å gjøre? Har vært null vold i gatene etter trumps nederlag. For fire år siden derimot var det noen som ikke tålte et tap og gikk til vold. Det var voldelig venstreekstreme..

Voldelig høyreekstremisme har alt med Trump å gjøre. Trump oppfordrer til vold, og det har vært både vold og trakassering fra høyreekstreme under valget. Proud Boys skryter jo av det, for eksempel.

[hekomo]

Proud Boys høres forresten ut som... ja, man lurer på hvor de går i Pride-paraden liksom 😂

Tenker det er mye latente... tendenser blant disse glade guttene!

Endret 12. november 2020 av hekomo

[Snikpellik]

hekomo skrev (1 time siden):

Proud Boys høres forresten ut som... ja, man lurer på hvor de går i Pride-paraden liksom 😂

Tenker det er mye latente... tendenser blant disse glade guttene!

Nettopp homofile har startet en Twitter-konto med navn Proud Boys  

"Reclaiming our name. | The Proud Boys are a queer, pan-gender, multi-cultural organization who will not apologize for our space in the modern world."
https://twitter.com/ProudBoysUS

[Red Frostraven]

Nå har en USPS-ansatt som varslet om valgjuks og fikk historien sin plukket opp av alt-right mediene innrømmet at han ble betalt for å formidle en historie Project Veritas hadde forfattet for ham.:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/usps-staffer-richard-hopkins-told-agents-project-veritas-penned-his-ballot-tampering-claim

...

Jeg minnes at selv nordmenn har trodd at Project veritas er en pålitelig kilde.

[CommanderKeen]

Mannen1 skrev (På 11.11.2020 den 6.28):

Hva har voldelig høyreekstrem med trump å gjøre?

Charlottesville?

[Drunkenvalley]

 

[Drunkenvalley]

 

[Snikpellik]

Det bare gir og gir og gir.
 

 

[debattklovn]

On 11/11/2020 at 12:01 AM, hekomo said:

Joda, vi gjør det i Norge.

Nope, kriminelle finner en vei til å ha våpen uansett. 

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Det er større sannsynlighet for at noen dør hvis uskyldige er bevæpnet. Det er ekstremt mye lavere sannsynlighet for at en kriminell bruker våpen mot en uskyldig person når han vet at uskyldige personer ikke bærer våpen.

Det er en svært dårlig idè å la de få kriminelle få styre hva uskyldige skal ha lov til i håp om at de skal vise nåde. 

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Så det er faktisk det du argumenterer for som ville gitt flere uskyldige drepte.  

😂 Nei.

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Men ble ikke begge valgene avholdt samtidig, og på samme stemmesedler? Da er det jo rart at de jukset med det ene men ikke det andre.

Fravær av juks på deltstatsvalg er altså bevis på at det ikke var juks i presidentvalget?
Hmm. Jeg er ikke sikker på at det er slik logikk funker. 
 

[Drunkenvalley]

Slik den skuta såg ut var utfallet av valet det minste problemet. Eg er imponert at dommerne har vore tålmodige nok til å ikkje kaste disse toskene ut på rævva aggressivt, og sanksjonert fleire av advokatene innvolvert i denne dynga av konspirasjonsteorier uten basis i realiteten.

[jallajall]

 

[Drunkenvalley]

Kort fortalt: Nei.

Lengre: Fleste feil som dei sikter til er diverse clerical errors. For eksempel individer med like eller lignende namn som nokon som er gått bort - som for eksempel egne foreldre.