Krigen mellom Israel og Hamas

[Snikpellik]

Det har vært nok en natt med flere terrorangrep på Vestbredden, der flere er blitt skadet og hjem er nedbrent da ekstremistiske settlere har gått til angrep på palestinske hjem og biler blant annet med molotov cocktails og skytevåpen.

Settlers said to injure several Palestinians, torch property in overnight attacks
https://www.timesofisrael.com/settlers-said-to-injure-several-palestinians-torch-property-in-overnight-attacks/

Husband and wife reportedly wounded and hospitalized after settler raid, the first of 3 separate attacks overnight, none of which resulted in arrests.

Extremist settlers were reported to have injured several Palestinians and torched their properties in a spate of attacks on West Bank villages overnight Thursday.

The attacks came amid a burgeoning wave of settler violence in the West Bank, with two Palestinians reported killed this month amid clashes in the territory.

At around midnight, a man and his wife were wounded in the southern village of Susya, after a gang of settlers were said to have attacked their home. Footage from the scene showed a middle-aged man with a bloodied head and torso. The two were evacuated to a hospital.

Located in the South Hebron Hills, Susya is one of several villages in the area that have been frequently targeted by settlers from nearby outposts in recent years.

Shortly after that incident, settlers were said to hurl Molotov cocktails at homes, vehicles and property in the Palestinian village of Atara in the central West Bank.

Then, early Friday morning, three young Palestinian men were injured by gunfire after settlers reportedly raided the village of Al-Mazra’a Al-Sharqiya, east of Ramallah, according to Palestinian state-run outlet Wafa.

The village and its surrounding area have also seen a major uptick in settler violence, particularly over recent months. In July this year, two residents, one of them an American citizen, were killed in nearby Sinjil during a reported settler raid.

Endret fredag kl 11:00 av Snikpellik

[Ballalaika]

Mr. President™ skrev (1 minutt siden):

"Krigen" på Gaza er ikke noe separat fenomen fra den fortsatte okkupasjonen av Vestbredden og den større konflikten. Vi har sett mange videoer av helt vanlige Israelere som drømmer om å ta over hele Vestbredden av teologiske grunner og bli kvitt palestinerne fra hele regionen, både Vestbredden og Gaza, men også de som bor og lever i Israel.

Blokkaden av Gaza og bosetningspolitikken på Vestbredden er en del av hele "konflikten". Synes det er ganske kynisk å prøve å separere disse to fra hverandre da det som skjer på Gaza i dag er en direkte konsekvens av over 50 år med okkupasjon og maktubalanse. Å ikke neven Vestbredden når man snakker om Gaza virker for meg som et virkemiddel for å prøve male et bildet om at hele konflikten startet med 7. oktober.

Jeg er enig i at det er positivt at Hamas blir fjernet, men ikke uten at Israel avslutter okkupasjonen og gir tilbake landområder de har tatt i strid med internasjonal lov. 

Men så nevner jeg jo Vestbredden. Jeg finner det litt besynderlig at du påkoster deg  ett A4-siders langt svar uten å forholde deg til det jeg skriver.

[Snikpellik]

Ballalaika skrev (Akkurat nå):

Man vil visst ikke ha noe snakk om at Hamas skal overgi seg.

Jaha? Det får være dine ord.

Alle mener hadde vært fantastisk om Hamas overga seg, men som blant annet IDF sier er det jo en utopi at det skal skje. Spesielt ikke uten en solid politisk og sivil strategi fra de israelske myndighetene. Så lenge ikke Netanyahu ønsker å erstatte Hamas vil de ikke forsvinne.

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#guttaPåSkauen #heltLegitimMotstandsbevegelse #vIsTøTtErIkKeHaMaS

 

Hashtags funker ikke her inne.

[Mr. President™]

Ballalaika skrev (1 minutt siden):

Men så nevner jeg jo Vestbredden. Jeg finner det litt besynderlig at du påkoster deg  ett A4-siders langt svar uten å forholde deg til det jeg skriver.

Ja du fikk jo nevnt Vestbredden, så flott! 

Ballalaika skrev (33 minutter siden):

Jeg snakker om krigen på Gaza og hvordan få en slutt på den.

 

Krigen på Gaza blir ikke slutt så lenge ikke Israel avslutter okkupasjonen av Gaza og Vestbredden. Som sagt, dette er ikke to isolerte fenomen. 

[Ballalaika]

Snikpellik skrev (6 minutter siden):

Jaha? Det får være dine ord.

Alle mener hadde vært fantastisk om Hamas overga seg, men som blant annet IDF sier er det jo en utopi at det skal skje. Spesielt ikke uten en solid politisk og sivil strategi fra de israelske myndighetene. Så lenge ikke Netanyahu ønsker å erstatte Hamas vil de ikke forsvinne.

I hvertfall ikke når man har heiagjenger, nyttige idioter, svake politiske ledere her i vesten.

Snikpellik skrev (8 minutter siden):

Hashtags funker ikke her inne

Ser ut til at de funker veldig godt.

[Ballalaika]

Mr. President™ skrev (5 minutter siden):

Krigen på Gaza blir ikke slutt så lenge ikke Israel avslutter okkupasjonen av Gaza og Vestbredden. Som sagt, dette er ikke to isolerte fenomen.

Krigen som den er og har vært i 1,5 med 40 000 drepte sivile og utsprengte bygninger blir slutt.

At det ikke løser alle problemer i konflikten er selvsagt sant.

[Mr. President™]

Ballalaika skrev (3 minutter siden):

Krigen som den er og har vært i 1,5 med 40 000 drepte sivile og utsprengte bygninger blir slutt.

Hvis Israel slutter å bombe infrastruktur helt ukritisk, slutter å angripe safe zones, slutter målrettede angrep på sivile og slutter å skyte på folk som står i matkøer så vil det bli betydelig færre sivile tap fremover.

Endret fredag kl 11:13 av Mr. President™

[Snikpellik]

Germany tells Israeli government to stop West Bank settlement construction
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-864333

Germany on Friday called on the Israeli government to stop settlement construction in the West Bank after Israel's far-right finance minister said work would start on a plan for thousands of home that would divide the Palestinian territory.

Germany "firmly rejects the Israeli government's announcements regarding the approval of thousands of new housing units in Israeli settlements in the West Bank," said a foreign ministry spokesperson in a statement.

Plans for the "E1" settlement and the expansion of Ma'aleh Adumim would further restrict the mobility of the Palestinian population in the West Bank by splitting it in half and cutting the area off from east Jerusalem, said the spokesperson.

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich announced on Thursday that work would start on the long-delayed settlement, a move that his office said would "bury" the idea of a Palestinian state.

In a statement, Smotrich's spokesperson said the minister had approved the plan to build 3,401 houses between an existing settlement in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

Germany has repeatedly warned the Israeli government to stop settlement construction in the West Bank, which violates international law and UN Security Council resolutions.

[Ballalaika]

Mr. President™ skrev (2 minutter siden):

Hvis Israel slutter å bombe infrastruktur helt ukritisk, slutter å angripe safe zones, slutter målrettede angrep på sivile og slutter å skyte på folk som står i matkøer så vil det bli betydelig færre sivile tap fremover.

-De gjør ikke dette, så poenget ditt er meningsløst.

-Men uansett: hvis Hamas kapitulerer så er hele mandatet og legimiteseringen for Israels krigføring borte

[Snikpellik]

'There's No Hunger in Gaza,' Say Netanyahu, the Israeli Army and Media. Meanwhile, Starvation Worsens
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article-magazine/no-hunger-in-gaza-say-netanyahu-the-israeli-army-and-media-as-starvation-worsens/00000198-a8a1-d539-a5b8-fdf186180000

The well-documented rising starvation in Gaza is now acknowledged by nearly the entire world, yet Israel continues to peddles the lie that it's all a "Hamas conspiracy".

(...) Severe hunger prevails in the Strip. Some findings already point to famine, the most extreme level of food deprivation. The evidence is clear, wide-ranging, unequivocal and cross-checked. It comes from multiple sources, from different parts of Gaza, from local and foreign sources, from data and images, from reports and video footage. In fact, it even comes from Israel itself, which announced a complete halt of food entry into the Strip for two and a half months, beginning in early March, and then reported the renewed delivery of a minimal amount for a few additional weeks (an average of 71 trucks a day to feed two million people).

The main evidence of the severity of the situation comes from an extensive medical operation, focusing on measurement of the circumference of toddlers' upper arms. It's a simple test: Measuring tape is wrapped around the upper arm, and anyone whose arm has a circumference that is below the norm is classified as malnourished. According to UNICEF, these tests are currently being conducted at 289 locations around the Strip. In July alone, the arms of about 140,000 Gazan children under the age of 5, out of 320,000 toddlers and children living in Gaza, were measured. The results? Nearly 9 percent of the youngsters suffer from severe malnutrition, compared to 2 percent in February.

Data collected by the UN paints the following picture: Tens of thousands of children under the age of 5 in the Strip are suffering today from acute malnutrition, with several thousand experiencing severe acute malnutrition. According to the most recent assessment, compiled at the end of last week, the rate of children suffering from severe acute malnutrition continues to rise.

There is a host of additional evidence deriving from reports from the Ministry of Health in Gaza on the surge of deaths attributed to starvation, which numbered 227 this past Wednesday, including 103 children; high food prices in the markets; hospital records and accounts from desperate doctors; before-and-after photos shared by Gazans; testimony from foreign doctors volunteering in the Strip; and video clips and calls documenting the severity of the situation. The authors of this text have conducted a live video tour in a clinic for starving patients in Gaza and have thus witnessed the catastrophe firsthand.

(...) 

According to Israeli pediatrician Dr. Michal Feldon, "We see many children with chronic illnesses in Israel, and not a single one of them looks this emaciated. If children arrive at hospitals in Israel looking like this, we suspect abuse or neglect – even in the case of chronic patients – and involve social services and the police."

Anyone who has been following the reports from aid organizations has not been surprised by the worsening situation. From the moment a complete blockade on Gaza was announced and food entry was halted in March, reports of the emerging humanitarian crisis multiplied. The number of children suffering from severe malnutrition was rising. Even when Israel opened the border crossings, it allowed food in sparingly. And even when the amount of food increased, Israel insisted – and continues to insist – on not returning to the UN's food distribution program, which is based on numerous community kitchens and distribution of aid to families based on an organized system of registered recipients.

The reality of burgeoning hunger in Gaza has now been recognized by almost the entire world. This week, 24 countries signed a declaration calling for urgent action to stop the starvation there. Among the signatories were France, the U.K., Japan, Sweden and Switzerland. Even the prime minister's last remaining supporter in the global arena, U.S. President Donald Trump, reportedly shouted at Netanyahu that he had seen clear evidence of starvation.

Endret fredag kl 11:23 av Snikpellik

[Snikpellik]

Ballalaika skrev (1 time siden):

-De gjør ikke dette, så poenget ditt er meningsløst.

Israel’s military has transformed every bit of Gazan territory within about half a mile of the Israeli border into a wasteland.

Armored bulldozers have systematically leveled one home after another. Combat engineers have laid explosives and triggered controlled demolitions inside once-bustling factories. Troops have torn up and denied Palestinians any access to the fertile farmland that once sustained lives and livelihoods.

In its place, the Israeli military has established a roughly 1-kilometer-wide buffer zone (about 0.6 miles) from which it has banished Palestinians and killed or fired at those who do set foot within its unmarked perimeter – all of which it has never officially acknowledged.

Now, in interviews with CNN and testimonials to an Israeli watchdog group, Israeli soldiers who were deployed to Gaza are revealing how the military carried out the destruction of civilian infrastructure to create the buffer area and the loose rules of engagement that have allegedly resulted in Israeli troops firing on and killing unarmed Palestinians.

These testimonies reveal Israeli military practices that arguably violate international humanitarian law and, in some cases are war crimes, according to international law experts.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/04/07/middleeast/israel-gaza-buffer-zone-troops-intl

Endret fredag kl 13:06 av Snikpellik

[Tussi]

Mr. President™ skrev (2 timer siden):

Hvis Israel slutter å bombe infrastruktur helt ukritisk, slutter å angripe safe zones, slutter målrettede angrep på sivile og slutter å skyte på folk som står i matkøer så vil det bli betydelig færre sivile tap fremover.

Hadde vært en fordel hvis Hamas sluttet å gjemme seg i safe zones, Mohammed Deif er det mest tragiske eksempelet

[0laf]

Mr. President™ skrev (2 timer siden):

Krigen på Gaza blir ikke slutt så lenge ikke Israel avslutter okkupasjonen av Gaza og Vestbredden. Som sagt, dette er ikke to isolerte fenomen. 

Kan man minne om at Israel avsluttet okkupasjonen av Gaza i 2005, fjernet alle bosetninger, og lot palestinerne styre selv, eller passer det litt dårlig inn i historiefortelling din?

Kan man minne om at når PLO ble formet i 1964, så var målet en arabisk stat i hele landet som i dag er Israel, ettersom araberne i området ønsket å drepe alle jøder, noe som senere ble videreført av Hamas i 1987, i deres charter

Den gangen var det verken gjerder eller murer rundt Gaza, de ble satt opp i ettertid fordi Hamas sendte små barn med bombevester inn i Israel

Endret fredag kl 13:24 av 0laf

[Rune_says]

Ballalaika skrev (1 time siden):

-De gjør ikke dette, så poenget ditt er meningsløst.

Selvfølgelig gjør de det.  Senest bombet de et telt med 5 journalister fra Al-Jazeera - de er sivile.  Og de bombet et distribusjonspunkt for flaskevann - mange sivile palestinere, kvinner og barn døde der.  

Selvfølgelig er Israel og IDF også ofre for sin egen falske propaganda om at under 7 Okt angrepet så var det massevoldtekt og at babyer ble halshugget og babyer brent i ovner.  Selvfølgelig blir de rasende av dette som de nå er indoktrinert til å tro er sannhet, for dette ble spredd som falske nyheter fra første dag av angrepet.

Sitat

Also the more time goes by, the more lies are debunked regarding what happened on October 7. There was no evidence of Hamas beheading 40 babies. There was no evidence of Hamas mass rape. There was no evidence of Hamas burning babies in ovens. When the names of people who were killed during that day came out, at least 2/3 of them were military and police. And just a couple of days ago, Israeli police did an investigation and found out that Israel actually killed their own civilians as they were indiscriminately bombing everyone they saw. Israel is the biggest, most pathetic liar in the history of humanity.

Se litt på youtube og nyheter og hør hvordan den jevne israeler stadig nevner dette med "burning babies in ovens".  Debatten blir håpløs når de tror på sin egen falske propaganda.

Det former både israeleres og israels alliertes standpunkt om å gjøre det samme mot palestinere.

Samme type propaganda er de rent symbolske flydroppene av mat som faktisk er farlige fordi mange av de billige fallskjermene svikter og tunge paller faller i tett befolket område. Flere allerede drept av disse  Det kalles kinetisk missil... 

Fakta gjenstår: Israel slipper kun igjennom ca 85 lastebiler pr dag (inkludert flydropp). Det nødvendige antallet for å unngå sultedød er 600 per dag.

[0laf]

Snikpellik skrev (19 minutter siden):

Israel’s military has transformed every bit of Gazan territory within about half a mile of the Israeli border into a wasteland.

Armored bulldozers have systematically leveled one home after another. Combat engineers have laid explosives and triggered controlled demolitions inside once-bustling factories. Troops have torn up and denied Palestinians any access to the fertile farmland that once sustained lives and livelihoods...

Så nå har de plutselig både fabrikker og jordbruksarealer?
Er dette rakettfabrikker og tunnelarbeidere, ettersom det er nesten alt som ligger langs grensen mot Israel?
 

[Ballalaika]

Snikpellik skrev (21 minutter siden):

Israel’s military has transformed every bit of Gazan territory within about half a mile of the Israeli border into a wasteland.

Armored bulldozers have systematically leveled one home after another. Combat engineers have laid explosives and triggered controlled demolitions inside once-bustling factories. Troops have torn up and denied Palestinians any access to the fertile farmland that once sustained lives and livelihoods.

In its place, the Israeli military has established a roughly 1-kilometer-wide buffer zone (about 0.6 miles) from which it has banished Palestinians and killed or fired at those who do set foot within its unmarked perimeter – all of which it has never officially acknowledged.

Now, in interviews with CNN and testimonials to an Israeli watchdog group, Israeli soldiers who were deployed to Gaza are revealing how the military carried out the destruction of civilian infrastructure to create the buffer area and the loose rules of engagement that have allegedly resulted in Israeli troops firing on and killing unarmed Palestinians.

These testimonies reveal Israeli military practices that arguably violate international humanitarian law and, in some cases are war crimes, according to international law experts.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/04/07/middleeast/israel-gaza-buffer-zone-troops-intl

Hvis du skal sitere meg bør du ha et poeng, og ikke bare sitere en random artikkel som sier et eller annet om hvor brutal krig er..

[Ballalaika]

Rune_says skrev (4 minutter siden):

Selvfølgelig gjør de det

Nei. Beklager.

[Snikpellik]

Ballalaika skrev (19 minutter siden):

Hvis du skal sitere meg bør du ha et poeng, og ikke bare sitere en random artikkel som sier et eller annet om hvor brutal krig er..

Artikkelen jeg siterte handler ikke om «hvor brutal krig er» den er heller ikke random, den inneholder utsagn fra IDF-soldater som direkte motsier påstanden du kom med.

[Snikpellik]

Den andre minnekonserten etter Nova-festivalen, utsatt for brutal terror og kidnappinger under angrepet 7. oktober, gikk av stabelen i går. 30.000 deltok, med både overlevende og etterlatte blant dem.

Nearly two years after tragedy, 2nd Nova Healing Concert unites 30,000 in Tel Aviv
https://www.timesofisrael.com/nearly-two-years-after-tragedy-nova-healing-concert-unites-30000-in-tel-aviv/

Survivors, bereaved families and artists gather to honor victims of the October 7, 2023, Nova massacre and celebrate resilience, hope, and community.

[Ballalaika]

Snikpellik skrev (7 minutter siden):

Artikkelen jeg siterte handler ikke om «hvor brutal krig er» den er heller ikke random, den inneholder utsagn fra IDF-soldater som direkte motsier påstanden du kom med.

Den gjør strengt tatt ikke det. Men ok.