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Jeg har ikke sett filmen.

Men jeg forundres litt av idéen om at man liksom seksualiserer barn ved å kle dem sånn eller sånn, de er da fremdeles barn?
Jeg synes barn er ganske usexy uavhengig av hva de har på seg, eller hvordan de beveger seg.
Ligger ikke problemet hos seeren, dersom hen er avhengig av at ungene kler seg i dekkende klær, og oppfører seg på en eller annen avtennende måte?

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17 minutes ago, InnoPerp said:

Netflix får i disse dager enorme mengder flak for å vise filmen Cuties (mignonnes), en film som seksualiserer unge kvinner i 11-års alderen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuties

Tanker om filmen, eller hva den viser?

Nei, filmen har ikke fått "enorme mengder flak". Det er stort sett kristenfundamentalister og andre ekstremister som reagerer negativt på filmen (som de fleste ikke en gang har sett).

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ism_InnleggNO skrev (13 minutter siden):

Nei, filmen har ikke fått "enorme mengder flak". Det er stort sett kristenfundamentalister og andre ekstremister som reagerer negativt på filmen (som de fleste ikke en gang har sett).

Ja sånne teite fossiler som ikke syns 11-åringer burde sexualiseres.
Hmmmm.... 97% dislikes.

Dette er drømmefilmen til pedofile.

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18 minutes ago, Alexander4840 said:

Ja sånne teite fossiler som ikke syns 11-åringer burde sexualiseres.
Hmmmm.... 97% dislikes.

Dette er drømmefilmen til pedofile.

Du har ikke sett filmen du heller, skjønner jeg? Colour me surprised ?

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ism_InnleggNO skrev (1 minutt siden):

Du har ikke sett filmen du heller, skjønner jeg? Colour me surprised ?

Har ikke tilgang på den, så jeg stoler på dvs kommentatorer med sirka mitt moralske kompass.

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Ifølge wikipediartikkelen lagt ved innledningsvis, var hensikten til skaperne å kritisere hyperseksualisering av barn.
Har de virkelig feilet så hardt at de endte opp med å gjøre det de mente å kritisere, eller er folk hysteriske fordi de er mer opptatt av symboler enn innhold?

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Virker som filmen har oppnådd det den skulle; den har satt problemene rundt seksualisering av barn i vesten på dagsorden. 

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Har ikke sett den. Plakaten som ble trukket var på ingen måte bra, det var riktig å fjerne den. Jeg undres på om mye av kritikken mot filmen kommer bare på bakgrunn av den trukkede plakaten.

Ut fra traileren synes jeg det virker noe merkelig å beskylde filmen for å seksualisere barn, også fordi kritikk av nettopp dette problemet spesielt i sosiale medier er en del av poenget bak filmen. Har registrert at det stort sett er religiøse eller veldig konservative som har kritisert filmen, og her hjemme i Norge er det vel Sylvi Listhaug som har kritisert den - uten selv å ha sett filmen (!). 

Rolling Stone har en artikkel rundt noe av kritikken jeg synes var interessant.

How ‘Cuties’ Is Fueling the Far Right’s Obsession With Pedophilia
The fight against sex trafficking has become politicized, and the misplaced outrage could be protecting actual child predators
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/cuties-netflix-far-right-controversy-pedophilia-1057736/

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InnoPerp skrev (3 minutter siden):

Jeg har sett filmen i sin helhet.

Ikke overrasket over svarene i tråden, gitt filmen's hovedtema. 

'Interresseklubben noterer'

Jobber med film/serier og markedsføring av dette, så jeg er definitivt del av «interesseklubben» din. Vurderer å se filmen fordi det er en interessant sak og debatt, men kan ikke si jeg ville sett den hvis det ikke var for det. Ser at den har fått helt middels anmeldelser.

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Den har definitivt undertoner av pedofili, og jeg skjønner godt at den får kritikk.

Men uten å rettferdiggjøre pedofili, så må jeg bare si det finnes utrolig mange andre filmer der ute som er langt verre, som i mange tilfeller blir hyllet som klassikere. For eksempel Nattsvermeren, Ondskapens hotell og Psycho.

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Fra IMDBs Parents Guide.

  • When caught with her cousin's phone, an 11-year-old girl locks herself in the bathroom, pulls down her pants and snaps a picture of her private area before publishing it online. No nudity is actually shown. However, The camera focuses on the child removing her jeans and her underwear and spreading her legs.
  • Children are watching pornography on a cell phone. Nothing is shown, little girls are huddled around a phone and talking about what is going on. Another scene shows two young girls watching the routine of a rival, older dance team on a cell phone. One of the girls dancing exposes her bare breast. Entire breast of minor is visible.
  • Frequent scenes of 11-year-old girls dancing lewdly where the camera pans in and zooms in on the children's buttocks and midsections (both still in skin-tight clothes) Close up shots of children dancing with their leg spread above their head while camera focus on crotch area.
  • The little 11-year-old girls are slapping each other's buttocks in the film, kissing their hands and then touching their crotches, and rubbing their buttocks together, and making seductive faces while sticking their fingers in their mouth seducing the camera as well as people watching them.
  • Four 11-year-old girls use one's laptop to access a cam site. The male on the other side is unaware but is disgusted as soon as he realizes it.
  • 11 year-old-girl gets in fight with older girl and during process of fight the older girl starts to pull off the younger girls pants down to her knees as her friends try to pull her away.
  • Frequent close up/slow shots of underage girls midsections, crotch, buttocks, while dancing provocatively (twerking, humping ground, on all fours, legs spread, bending over) and in minimal skin tight clothing or underwear.
  • One child is doused with water while wearing a tiny tank top and teeny underwear that expose her butt cheeks.... child bounces as camera focuses on breasts and child gets on all fours and grinds pelvis into floor and twerks while camera films from behind with an up angle on child's mostly bare bottom and underwear in crack.
  • In one scene, two grown men watch a child dance suggestively while other children encourage her...men look at her body and don't tel her to stop.
  • A dance on a staircase shows little girls in full face makeup licking their fingers, spreading their legs (with barely there shorts) twerking and grinding while the camera films as if at a strip club.
  • In one dance scene, a child lifts her top exposing her bare breast
  • Little girl does laundry with black leather pants on and teeny shirt as she dances suggestively, flips her hair, and is filmed from behind while the camera has a field day with the child's bottom.
  • In the schoolyard, two little girls physically fight while others cheer and they remove a little girls pants exposing her bottom and tiny underwear - especially troublesome is the camera focuses on her bottom and people take pictures of her bottom.
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1 minute ago, jallajall said:

Fra IMDBs Parents Guide.

  • When caught with her cousin's phone, an 11-year-old girl locks herself in the bathroom, pulls down her pants and snaps a picture of her private area before publishing it online. No nudity is actually shown. However, The camera focuses on the child removing her jeans and her underwear and spreading her legs.
  • Children are watching pornography on a cell phone. Nothing is shown, little girls are huddled around a phone and talking about what is going on. Another scene shows two young girls watching the routine of a rival, older dance team on a cell phone. One of the girls dancing exposes her bare breast. Entire breast of minor is visible.
  • Frequent scenes of 11-year-old girls dancing lewdly where the camera pans in and zooms in on the children's buttocks and midsections (both still in skin-tight clothes) Close up shots of children dancing with their leg spread above their head while camera focus on crotch area.
  • The little 11-year-old girls are slapping each other's buttocks in the film, kissing their hands and then touching their crotches, and rubbing their buttocks together, and making seductive faces while sticking their fingers in their mouth seducing the camera as well as people watching them.
  • Four 11-year-old girls use one's laptop to access a cam site. The male on the other side is unaware but is disgusted as soon as he realizes it.
  • 11 year-old-girl gets in fight with older girl and during process of fight the older girl starts to pull off the younger girls pants down to her knees as her friends try to pull her away.
  • Frequent close up/slow shots of underage girls midsections, crotch, buttocks, while dancing provocatively (twerking, humping ground, on all fours, legs spread, bending over) and in minimal skin tight clothing or underwear.
  • One child is doused with water while wearing a tiny tank top and teeny underwear that expose her butt cheeks.... child bounces as camera focuses on breasts and child gets on all fours and grinds pelvis into floor and twerks while camera films from behind with an up angle on child's mostly bare bottom and underwear in crack.
  • In one scene, two grown men watch a child dance suggestively while other children encourage her...men look at her body and don't tel her to stop.
  • A dance on a staircase shows little girls in full face makeup licking their fingers, spreading their legs (with barely there shorts) twerking and grinding while the camera films as if at a strip club.
  • In one dance scene, a child lifts her top exposing her bare breast
  • Little girl does laundry with black leather pants on and teeny shirt as she dances suggestively, flips her hair, and is filmed from behind while the camera has a field day with the child's bottom.
  • In the schoolyard, two little girls physically fight while others cheer and they remove a little girls pants exposing her bottom and tiny underwear - especially troublesome is the camera focuses on her bottom and people take pictures of her bottom.

takk.

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18 minutes ago, Snikpellik said:

Jobber med film/serier og markedsføring av dette, så jeg er definitivt del av «interesseklubben» din. Vurderer å se filmen fordi det er en interessant sak og debatt, men kan ikke si jeg ville sett den hvis det ikke var for det. Ser at den har fått helt middels anmeldelser.

Se den.

Det var deler av filmen jeg måtte spole fremover pga ubehaget. Scenen der hovedpersonen har en orgasme fremfor folk var litt mye.

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InnoPerp skrev (5 timer siden):

Registrerer at det er et antall brukere i tråden som liker filmen.

Syns det er ekkelt, virker stort sett som den ''tollerante'' og Syk-Liberale Venstresiden.
Basert på argumenter så langt og hvilke kommentarer som er mest upvotet, forventer jeg ikke mye.

 

Gomby skrev (9 timer siden):

Den har definitivt undertoner av pedofili, og jeg skjønner godt at den får kritikk.

Men uten å rettferdiggjøre pedofili, så må jeg bare si det finnes utrolig mange andre filmer der ute som er langt verre, som i mange tilfeller blir hyllet som klassikere. For eksempel Nattsvermeren, Ondskapens hotell og Psycho.

Kan ikke sammenlikne normalisering av 'seksualisering av barn', barneporno og pedofili med 'morbid nysgjerrighet' og 'ønsket om å bli skremt/overrasket', som er ganske naturlig i dagens kjedelige trygge verden.

Filmen viser ikke en normal familie, de er veldig konservative, som om den gjør narr av konservative verdier og viser hvordan jenter burde bli satt fri, seksuell frihet, osv.. 
Er vel samme typen folk som syns kvinner burde gå toppløs fritt overalt.

Nå trenger ikke pedofile bli bura inne for barneporno, denne filmen er nok.

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