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Brother Ursus skrev (4 minutter siden):

Ukrainsk dronetreningssenter. Wow. Håper ingen klarer å identifisere og geolokalisere.

Det ser ut til å være en offentlig demo, det er mange tilskuere til stede og det har preg av rekrutteringsmesse. En ung mann fikk overrakt en ny drone, gjetter på at han var den av de fremmøtte som gjorde det best på hinderløypa de hadde satt opp. 

Håper på at dette er et midlertidig lokale som tømmes etter at messa var over og at det ekte treningslokalet er et annet sted.

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The video provides an update on the ongoing military situation in the Kursk Oblast of Russia, where Ukrainian forces have made significant advances. Here's a summary of the key points:

  1. Ukrainian Advances: Ukrainian forces have continued to make gains in the Kursk Oblast, capturing key villages such as Leova and Mala L. The main town of Suja is mostly under Ukrainian control, though some Russian forces may still be present in the area.

  2. Russian Convoys Ambushed: Ukrainian forces have successfully ambushed multiple Russian convoys attempting to bring reinforcements to the area. These ambushes, often conducted with the aid of surveillance drones and HIMARS systems, have resulted in significant Russian losses.

  3. Fog of War: There is a lack of official information from Ukraine about the ongoing operations, leading to a reliance on Russian military bloggers and unofficial sources for updates. The Ukrainian government has remained very calm and has not provided many details, which contributes to the fog of war in the region.

  4. Russian Defense and Reinforcements: Russia is attempting to send reinforcements to the Kursk region, but these efforts have been met with resistance and losses. The Russian military is also using aviation, gliding bombs, and Iskander missiles in an attempt to target Ukrainian positions.

  5. Speculation on Ukrainian Objectives: There is speculation that Ukraine might attempt further operations in the Belgorod or Kursk regions, though some reports about these potential offensives have been dismissed as misinformation.

  6. Encirclement of Suja: Ukrainian forces have reportedly encircled Suja, cutting off supply lines and mining key roads. This has trapped Russian forces in the area, making it difficult for them to receive reinforcements or retreat.

  7. International Reactions: The Russian Foreign Ministry has called on the international community to condemn Ukraine's actions in the Kursk region, framing it as an attack on sovereign Russian territory. However, Ukraine's operations are viewed as a response to Russian aggression.

  8. Potential Outcomes: The video suggests that Ukraine may not be able to reach the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant due to the distance and logistical challenges. Instead, Ukraine might focus on holding the territory they have gained or trading it for Ukrainian territory currently occupied by Russia.

  9. Support from Allies: Ukraine continues to receive support from its Western allies, including a new military aid package from the United States worth $125 million, which includes Stinger missiles, HIMARS shells, and other military equipment.

  10. Russian Responses: Russia has struggled to effectively counter the Ukrainian offensive in Kursk, with significant losses and difficulties in mobilizing reinforcements. There is also concern in Belarus, where the government has claimed that Ukraine's actions in Kursk pose a threat to Belarus.

 

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https://www-moscowtimes-eu.translate.goog/2024/08/10/nachalnika-genshtaba-gerasimova-ulichili-vovrane-putinu-osituatsii-vkurskoi-oblasti-a139136?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov was caught lying to Putin about the situation in the Kursk region

(google oversatt)
 

Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov lied to Vladimir Putin during a report on the situation in the Kursk region, Novaya Gazeta journalist Valery Shiryaev noted. During the Security Council meeting, which took place on August 7, the military commander reported to the president that about 1,000 soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine had entered the territory of the Russian Federation, although already at that moment “special correspondents of Central Television or newspapers affiliated with the Ministry of Defense, such as Komsomolskaya Pravda,” named the figure more, Shiryaev noted. 

“The most [interesting] thing began later, when a day later official reports from the Ministry of Defense showed the figures for the loss of the Ukrainian army in the Kursk region, i.e. invasion groups - a thousand people. Those. a thousand came in, and a day later a thousand were already killed and wounded, according to reports from the Ministry of Defense. <…> How is this possible? A thousand came, the day passed, and that’s it, and they are no longer there. What about the rest? Who is fighting there?” he told the YouTube channel “NO.Media from Russia.”

This situation may indicate that the Chief of the General Staff either did not have the information, or “reported figures from a day ago,” or “failed to get his bearings,” the journalist believes: “By and large, it turned out that he misled the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. <…> Putin listened to unreliable information at this meeting.” 

During an emergency meeting of the Security Council, which Putin held on August 7 against the backdrop of the successful advance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kursk region, Gerasimov promised the president that the Ukrainian army would be thrown back outside Russia. The general said that units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces “numbering up to 1,000 people” began to advance at 5:30 a.m. on August 6 “with the aim of capturing a section of the Sudzhansky district.” At that moment, he also assured that the advance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces “deep into the territory in the Kursk direction has been stopped.”

Information about the “stopping” of the advance of the Ukrainian military deep into Russia, however, also turned out to be unreliable: the Ukrainian Armed Forces after that took about 10 more settlements (in total, at least 20 Russian settlements are now under Ukrainian control) and the Sudzha gas measuring station ", through which Russian gas is pumped to Europe. Dozens of Russian military personnel, including conscripts, were captured. On August 9, a counter-terrorism operation (CTO) regime was introduced in the Kursk, as well as Belgorod and Bryansk regions.

The inability of the Russian Armed Forces to confront the Armed Forces of Ukraine made Vladimir Putin and the entire Russian command “nervous,”   four senior Russian officials, who asked not to be named,  told The Moscow Times.

On August 10, information appeared that the Ukrainian Armed Forces, following the Kursk region, could enter  Belgorod region and occupy the village of Poroz. Before this, the Belgorod News telegram channel reported that this settlement was under fire. The governor of the region, Vyacheslav Gladkov, did not confirm this information, but did not deny it either. In his Telegram channel, he wrote that in order to “accurately understand the situation,” it is necessary for “representatives of the security forces to understand it,” and “at the moment, as part of the CTO regime announced in the region, entry into the village of Poroz is closed.”

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Mulig hviterussland bare annonserte det for innenriks propaganda/russisk propaganda. De har nok liten interesse av å faktisk få droner osv. over grensen. osv.

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Simen1 skrev (16 minutter siden):

Jeg ser absolutt ingen problem med at Ukraina samler etterretning om belarusisk troppeoppbygning ved hjelp av overvåkningsdroner. Ukraina har rett til å forsvare seg selv og samle etterretning om fiendtlige forberedelser.

Belarus sin troppeoppbygning er nok en papirtiger med hovedhensikt å tynne ut Ukrainas offensiv i Kursk. Timingen og plasseringen ved trippelgrensepunktet tyder på det. Det virker som et resultat av en panisk telefonsamtale fra Putin til Lukasjenko kort tid etter at Ukraina gikk inn i Kursk.

Vi må heller ikke glemme at Belarus har fått atomvåpen i det siste, men det er vel tvilsomt at de har nøklene, eller kofferten eller hva det heter- det er bakdøren til putin det der. Om det skulle gå til helsike med russland og regimet falle har putin en mulighet for å bruke belarus som tilfluktssted. (det var i hvertfall spekuleringer om dette tidligere)

Ting kan endre seg veldig fort nå, og de nærmere 100 000 personene som har måttet flykte internt i russland har nok kommunisert hva som skjer på sine sosiale medier og til sine nærmeste (og fjerne), og dette kan vel gjøre at regimet begynner å vakle. De er livredde for kollaps innenfra, og slikt kan skje fryktelig fort. De indre politistyrkene er vel mest fokusert på sin egen befolkning, ikke bevæpnet med tunge våpen og artilleri slik at den mostanden de møter kanskje er mindre enn fra millitære. 

Litt uklart hvilke endringer i forsvar internt i russland vil bli når putin har klassifisert denne invasjonen som en terroraksjon. Denne aksjonen foregår inni russland, og vil det bety at de ikke går frem på samme hensynsløse måten som i Ukraina?

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7 minutes ago, Kjell Iver said:

Litt uklart hvilke endringer i forsvar internt i russland vil bli når putin har klassifisert denne invasjonen som en terroraksjon. Denne aksjonen foregår inni russland, og vil det bety at de ikke går frem på samme hensynsløse måten som i Ukraina?

Putler blir iaf ikke første statslederen i Russland som sender en atombombe eller truer med atombombe mot russisk territorie.

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37 minutes ago, Simen1 said:

Belarus sin troppeoppbygning er nok en papirtiger med hovedhensikt å tynne ut Ukrainas offensiv i Kursk. Timingen og plasseringen ved trippelgrensepunktet tyder på det. Det virker som et resultat av en panisk telefonsamtale fra Putin til Lukasjenko kort tid etter at Ukraina gikk inn i Kursk.

Jeg så en kommentar fra en Ukrainsk tjenestemann, som ikke var bekymret. Ingen av stridsvognene hadde noen Copecage eller annet som ligner på det som brukes. De var heller ikke utstyrt med EW, så noen FPV avdelinger ville gjort kort prosess med dem.

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