Russlands invasjon av Ukraina [Ny tråd, les førstepost]

[Brother Ursus]

36 minutes ago, Samms said:

Vel, det er ein forskjell på Russland og Israel. Som du nemner må ukrainere i okkuperte områdere ha russisk pass og blir russiske borgare. Uavhengig av kva dei måtte meine om det. Israel har sjølv etter tiår med okkupasjon ikkje latt dei som bur i okkuperte områder få israelsk pass og statsborgerskap. 

Israel tilbød alle jordanere, egyptere og andre arabiske innvandrere til Israel israelsk pass i 1948 og igjen flere ganger senere. Urfolkene som i hovedsak var drusere, ortodokse kristne og sefariske jøder, ble alle med i Israel Dagens palestinere ble gjort statsløse av sine egne land, i hovedsak Jordan, ikke Israel.

Du snakker om russisk statsborgerskap som om det er noe gjevt - men de tjenestene du mener folk får, finnes ikke. I stedet blir de tvangsmobilisert til å kjempe mot sine egne. Er det også en politikk Israel bør følge, synes du?

[Samms]

4 minutes ago, Brother Ursus said:

Israel tilbød alle jordanere, egyptere og andre arabiske innvandrere til Israel israelsk pass i 1948 og igjen flere ganger senere. Urfolkene som i hovedsak var drusere, ortodokse kristne og sefariske jøder, ble alle med i Israel Dagens palestinere ble gjort statsløse av sine egne land, i hovedsak Jordan, ikke Israel.

Du snakker om russisk statsborgerskap som om det er noe gjevt - men de tjenestene du mener folk får, finnes ikke. I stedet blir de tvangsmobilisert til å kjempe mot sine egne. Er det også en politikk Israel bør følge, synes du?

Ingenting gjevt med russisk pass, men ein observasjon av kva som skjer på bakken. Israel tilbød kanskje pass til andre i 1948, dei har ikkje gjort det seinare. Israel trekte seg ut av Gaza og tvangsevakuerte jøder derifrå akkurat for å sleppe å gje alle som budde i Gaza israelsk pass.

[Samms]

16 minutes ago, Brother Ursus said:

Russland produserer ikke nevneverdig elektronikk. Det er noe de importerer. Militærelektronikk kommer hovedsakelig fra Europa og USA. Russland har også store problemer med å finne nok kvalifisert arbeidskraft.

Det skjer ikke med mindre Ukraina kollapser innenfra og det er det ingen tegn på. Det er så vidt Russland klarer å avansere over enorme, åpne linjer, og da kun ta små landsbyer med enorme tap.

Selv om de mot formodning skulle klare å få momentum i Sumy, Kharkiv (oblast), Luhansk eller Donetsk, så blir det bråstopp så fort de når et større tettsted.

Og sanksjonane lekker som ein sil, det er penger å tjene. Dei som hadde undersøkt restane fann deler produsert i 2023 i missill produsert i Nord Korea brukt mot Ukraina.

Og korleis er det med arbeidskraft i Ukraina? I ein artikkel på NRK så var observasjonen at lågare alder for innrullering i det militæret betydde lite. Låge fødselstal og utvandring frå Ukraina lenge før krigen starta gjer at det er ikkje så mange ukrainere under 30 år i Ukraina.

Det som holder Ukraina oppe er massiv økonomisk og miltær støtte frå USA, EU og andre i "vesten". Ei mindre forseinking i støtte frå USA og det har gått mindre bra for Ukraina langs fronten. Korleis går det med Ukraina om det blir stopp i penge- og våpenstøtte?

[Brother Ursus]

https://www.afr.com/world/europe/russia-plotting-sabotage-across-europe-intelligence-agencies-warn-20240505-p5fp1k

Russia plotting sabotage across Europe, intelligence agencies warn

Berlin/London/Oslo | European intelligence agencies have warned their governments that Russia is plotting violent acts of sabotage across the continent as it commits to a course of permanent conflict with the West.

Russia has already begun to more actively prepare covert bombings, arson attacks and damage to infrastructure on European soil, directly and via proxies, with little apparent concern about causing civilian fatalities, intelligence officials believe

Although the Kremlin’s agents have a long history of such operations – and have launched attacks sporadically in Europe in recent years – evidence is mounting of a more aggressive and concerted effort, according to assessments from three different European countries shared with the Financial Times.

Intelligence officials are becoming increasingly vocal about the threat in an effort to promote vigilance.

“We assess the risk of state-controlled acts of sabotage to be significantly increased,” said Thomas Haldenwang, head of German domestic intelligence. Russia now seems comfortable carrying out operations on European soil “[with] a high potential for damage,” he told a security conference last month hosted by his agency, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution.

Mr Haldenwang spoke just days after two German-Russian nationals were arrested in Bayreuth, Bavaria, for allegedly plotting to attack military and logistics sites in Germany on behalf of Russia.

Two men were charged in the UK in late April with having started a fire at a warehouse containing aid shipments for Ukraine. English prosecutors accuse them of working for the Russian government.

In Sweden, security services are meanwhile investigating a series of recent railway derailments, which they suspect may be acts of state-backed sabotage.

Russia has attempted to destroy the signalling systems on Czech railways, the country’s transport minister told the FT last month.

In Estonia, an attack on the interior minister’s car in February and those of journalists were perpetrated by Russian intelligence operatives, the country’s Internal Security Service has said. France’s defence ministry also warned this year of possible sabotage attacks by Russia on military sites.

“The obvious conclusion is that there has been a real stepping up of Russian activity,” said Keir Giles, senior consulting fellow at Chatham House, the think tank.

“One cannot tell if that’s a reflection of the fact that the Russians are throwing more resources at it; whether they are being more sloppy and getting caught; or whether Western counter-intelligence has simply become better at detecting and stopping it,” he added.

“Whatever it is though – there is a lot going on.”

‘Clear and convincing Russian mischief’

One senior European government official said information was being shared through NATO security services of “clear and convincing Russian mischief”, which was co-ordinated and at scale.

The time had come to “raise awareness and focus” about the threat of Russian violence on European soil, he added.

NATO issued a statement on Thursday declaring its deep concern about growing “malign activities on allied territory” by Russia, citing what it said was an “intensifying campaign… across the Euro-Atlantic area”.

The growing fears over Russia’s appetite for physical damage against its adversaries follow a spate of accusations against Russia over disinformation and hacking campaigns. On Friday, Germany vowed consequences for Moscow – in a statement backed by the EU and NATO – over a 2023 hacking attack on the Social Democratic Party of Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

A scandal exposing Russian attempts to co-opt far right European politicians before the coming European elections is meanwhile still unfolding.

One intelligence official said Moscow’s sabotage efforts should not be seen as distinct from other operations, saying the intensifying activity reflected Russia’s aim to exert maximum pressure “across the piece”.

Vladimir Putin is currently feeling “emboldened” and will seek to push lines as hard as he can in Europe, on several fronts, he said, whether through disinformation, sabotage or hacking.

Increased aggression from Russian intelligence also reflects the desire for the country’s spymasters to reassert themselves after their most serious setback since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

In the weeks following Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, more than 600 Russian intelligence officers operating in Europe with diplomatic cover were ejected, dealing serious damage to the Kremlin’s spy network across the continent.

In a recent report, analysts at the UK’s Royal United Services Institute highlighted the efforts to which Russia had gone to reconstitute its presence in Europe, often using proxies. Those include members of the Russian diaspora as well as organised crime groups with which the Kremlin has long-standing ties.

A key strategic shift has also occurred, with so-called “Committees of Special Influence” co-ordinating intelligence operations country-by-country for the Kremlin, drawing together what were previously piecemeal efforts by the country’s fractious security services and other Kremlin players.

High alert over threats

With Russia’s stepping up operations, security services have been on high alert over threats and are looking to identify targets they may have missed.

Questions have been raised, for instance, over a so-far unexplained explosion at a BAE Systems munitions factory in Wales that supplies shells used by Ukraine. In October 2014, a Czech arms depot where weapons for Kyiv were being stored was destroyed; Russian military intelligence agents were later revealed to have planted explosives at the site.

A huge fire broke out on Friday at a factory in Berlin owned by the arms company Diehl, which also supplies Ukraine. More than 160 specialist firefighters were called to tackle the blaze, with residents in a huge swath of the west of the capital told to keep windows closed due to possible toxic fumes.

“As ever with Russia, it’s wise not to look for a single explanation of why they are doing anything. There’s always a combination of things going on,” said Mr Giles.

“These pinprick attacks we’ve seen so far are of course to create disruption, but they can also be used for disinformation. And then there is what Russia learns from these attacks if they want to immobilise Europe for real  ... They’re practice runs.”

[Brother Ursus]

 

“The security of Europeans is at stake in Ukraine, since it is located 1,500 kilometers from our borders. If Russia wins, in the next second there will be no security in Romania, Poland, Lithuania or our country. The power and range of Russian ballistic missiles puts us all in danger.”

[Brother Ursus]

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/cuban-mercenaries-eliminate-russian-regiment-1714251996.html

Cuban mercenaries eliminate Russian regiment commander in Donetsk region

Cuban mercenaries fighting in the Pokrovsk sector of the Donetsk region eliminated their commander of the 428th motorized rifle regiment for humiliating treatment, reports the ATESH partisan movement.

The movement's agent from the headquarters of the "Center" troop group of the Russian Armed Forces noted that the reason for the "execution" was regular humiliation, beatings and "confiscation" of wages from guest workers from Latin America.

 

[Brother Ursus]

 

[Brother Ursus]

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/new-york-times-ukraine-has-already-received-some-of-the-weapons-from-the-new-aid-package-from-the-united-states/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/us/politics/ukraine-weapons-us.html

New York Times: Ukraine has already received some of the weapons from the new aid package from the United States

"First of all, these are 155-mm artillery ammunition, which the Defense Forces of Ukraine need so much on the front line, as well as anti-armor rockets and missiles."

Endret 5. mai 2024 av Brother Ursus

[Samms]

3 hours ago, Brother Ursus said:

 

“The security of Europeans is at stake in Ukraine, since it is located 1,500 kilometers from our borders. If Russia wins, in the next second there will be no security in Romania, Poland, Lithuania or our country. The power and range of Russian ballistic missiles puts us all in danger.”

Domminoteorien var vel brukt for å videreføre ein fransk krig. Krigen i Vietnam. USA fortsatte krigen i Vietnam, og av argumenta for å krige var dominoteorien. Om kommunistane tok makta i Vietnam så kom land etter land til å bli kommunistisk. Historia viser noko anna og i dag er vel også Vietnam eit "kapitalistisk" land...

[Markiii]

Samms skrev (11 minutter siden):

Domminoteorien var vel brukt for å videreføre ein fransk krig. Krigen i Vietnam. USA fortsatte krigen i Vietnam, og av argumenta for å krige var dominoteorien. Om kommunistane tok makta i Vietnam så kom land etter land til å bli kommunistisk. Historia viser noko anna og i dag er vel også Vietnam eit "kapitalistisk" land...

Alt dette er irrelevant, siden vi allerede vet at Putin ikke vil stoppe før han blir stoppet med makt. Du kan sammenligne med Vietnam og annet til du blir blå i trynet, men det har ikke noe med Putins ekspansjonshunger å gjøre. Han ønsker beviselig å legge under seg større og større områder.

[Entern]

Samms skrev (27 minutter siden):

Domminoteorien var vel brukt for å videreføre ein fransk krig. Krigen i Vietnam. USA fortsatte krigen i Vietnam, og av argumenta for å krige var dominoteorien. Om kommunistane tok makta i Vietnam så kom land etter land til å bli kommunistisk. Historia viser noko anna og i dag er vel også Vietnam eit "kapitalistisk" land...

Eh.

Nå hadde først Kina, og deretter halve Korea, falt til kommunistisk tyranni, og det samme skjedde og med Kambodsja, og vi vet vel alle hvor vanvittige grusomheter som har utspilt seg i de landene, og hvor stor trussel Kina og Nord-Korea fortsatt er mot verden.

[Samms]

26 minutes ago, Entern said:

Eh.

Nå hadde først Kina, og deretter halve Korea, falt til kommunistisk tyranni, og det samme skjedde og med Kambodsja, og vi vet vel alle hvor vanvittige grusomheter som har utspilt seg i de landene, og hvor stor trussel Kina og Nord-Korea fortsatt er mot verden.

Og i dag er Kina kapitalistisk så gode som nokon. Tyrraniet også. Kina er nok ein trussel, ein trussel om kven som er på toppen i ein kaptialistisk verden. 

[MK3]

Russland planlegger sabotasje i europeiske land.

På tide å starte internering av russersympatisører i europa.

https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/slar-alarm-om-putins-planer-for-europa-vil-utfore-sabotasje/s/5-95-1801610

[Brother Ursus]

 

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

[Samms]

2 minutes ago, MK3 said:

Russland planlegger sabotasje i europeiske land.

På tide å starte internering av russersympatisører i europa.

https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/slar-alarm-om-putins-planer-for-europa-vil-utfore-sabotasje/s/5-95-1801610

Har du tenkt tanken at kanskje målet er å stoppe kritiske ytringer mot krigføinga? For alle som er kritisk til ført politikk er russersympatisører og blir internert om dei ikkje er stille.

[Brother Ursus]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68933778

North Korean weapons are killing Ukrainians. The implications are far bigger

On 2 January, a young Ukrainian weapons inspector, Khrystyna Kimachuk, got word that an unusual-looking missile had crashed into a building in the city of Kharkiv. She began calling her contacts in the Ukrainian military, desperate to get her hands on it. Within a week, she had the mangled debris splayed out in front of her at a secure location in the capital Kyiv.

"Over in London, Joseph Byrne, a North Korea expert at the defence think tank the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), was equally stunned. "I never thought I would see North Korean ballistic missiles being used to kill people on European soil," he said."

"In total RUSI estimates 7,000 containers have been sent, filled with more than a million ammunition shells and grad rockets"

"But the missile fired on 2 January, that Ms Kimachuk took apart, was seemingly Pyongyang's most sophisticated short-range missile - the Hwasong 11 - capable of travelling up to 700km

Although the Ukrainians have downplayed their accuracy, Dr Jeffrey Lewis, an expert in North Korean weapons and non-proliferation at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, says they appear to be not much worse than the Russian missiles.

The advantage of these missiles is that they are extremely cheap, explained Dr Lewis. This means you can buy more and fire more, in the hope of overwhelming air defences, which is exactly what the Russians appear to be doing. "

 

[Brother Ursus]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-frontline-weapons-putin-b2539267.html

Russia pushing ‘at all costs’ to grab territory in Ukraine before fresh US weapons arrive

Analysts and officials tell The Independent that the Kremlin wants a military victory to tout before its artillery advantage diminishes

 

[Samms]

2 minutes ago, Brother Ursus said:

 

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

Kjekt med utenorettsleg henretting, eller?

Haken med slike operasjonar er at det etterpå er vanskeleg å argumentere med moral og rettsikkerheit. Det blir fort at begge sider i konflikta blir oppfatta som like gode, eventuelt like dårlege.

[Brother Ursus]

https://news.online.ua/en/polish-general-says-poland-lithuania-must-immediately-mine-borders-with-russia-and-belarus-877593/

Polish general says Poland, Lithuania must immediately mine borders with Russia and Belarus

 

 

[Brother Ursus]

1 minute ago, Samms said:

Kjekt med utenorettsleg henretting, eller?

Sist jeg sjekket var det en krig på gang.

En utenomrettslig krig.