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Israelsk media melder at Netanyahu skal ha bestemt seg for full militær okkupasjon av hele Gazastripen, til tross for at IDF er imot. Netanyahu said set to order full takeover of Gaza, despite IDF qualms, risk to hostages https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-reportedly-looking-to-order-full-takeover-of-gaza-despite-idf-qualms/ Senior official close to PM quoted saying ‘the die is cast — we are going for a full occupation of the Gaza Strip,’ also suggests IDF chief resign if he opposes move. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly told ministers this week that he will seek cabinet backing for a plan to fully occupy the Gaza Strip, despite objections from within the Israel Defense Forces. According to reports in Hebrew media, several ministers said Netanyahu used the term “occupation of the Strip” in private conversations describing his vision for the expansion of military operations in Gaza — a notable shift in tone as the government prepares to discuss the future of the Gaza campaign. The Ynet news site quoted a senior official close to the premier as saying, “The die is cast — we are going for a full occupation of the Gaza Strip.”

Sylvi Listhaug kritiserer Israels krigføring for første gang, men hun nekter å fordømme. Hun hevder også Hamas kan avslutte krigen når som helst ved å frigi gislene, selv om Israel gjentatte ganger har sagt krigen vil fortsette uavhengig av dette. Listhaug om Gaza: – Israel har gått for langt https://www.nrk.no/norge/sylvi-listhaug-og-jonas-gahr-store-i-debatt-om-gaza-og-israel-1.17516218 – Vil du fordømme det Israel har gjort i Gaza? – Eg syns det er forferdeleg å sjå det som skjer i Gaza. At det er så mykje liding blant folk. – La meg sleppe å gjenta spørsmålet mange gonger. Vil du fordømme det Israel har gjort i Gaza? – Eg syns at Israel har gått for langt. Samtidig er det sånn at det er Hamas som både startar denne krigen, og det er Hamas som når som helst kan avslutte denne krigen ved å frigi disse gislane.

Å påstå at statsministeren og utenriksministeren «støtter terrorister» er ganske spinnvilt. Har det blitt litt mye internett?

Et parti som fremmer russiske talepunkter og konspirasjonsteorier, blant annet om årsakene til invasjonen av Ukraina, er i mine øyne svært negativt for Norge og vårt folk. Men smaken er som baken. Det finnes ingen slike partier i Norge.

Hva tenker du om å stemme på et parti som fremmer russiske konspirasjonsteorier?

Nei, det har du ikke gjort. Du hevdet at dette var "en typisk greie med å være woke". Du har ikke forklart hvorfor du mener den aktuelle saken er "woke". – At fire ytterliggående snålinger har fått for seg at en ikke-rasistisk reklame er rasistisk er jo langt på vei en ikke-sak, og har absolutt ingenting med "woke" å gjøre. Den eneste grunnen til at noen har fått med seg denne greia i det hele tatt er at kulturkrigere på nettet, og de som kaller seg "anti-woke" har gjort det til en gigantisk greie. De elsker sånt. Her har de lykkes å konstruere en fantasifortelling om det de hevder er en "woke mob" og "venstresiden" som angivelig klikker av en reklame. Dette innbilte fiendebildet selger naturligvis godt til deres publikum, som fråder av slikt - selv om saken knapt eksisterer i virkeligheten. Siden forrige mandag har Fox News viet over 85 minutter og 20 innslag til denne "saken". I samme periode har de bare brukt tre minutter på å dekke Trump-administrasjonens håndtering av Epstein-saken. (Kilde) https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-news-monday-85-minutes-talking-about-sydney-sweeney-3-minutes-talking-about-epstein Dette gjelder i 99% av angivelige "woke"-saker.

Over 600 tidligere høytstående israelske tjenestepersoner fra forsvar, etterretning og politi har sendt et åpent brev til Trump, der de ber ham om å presse Netanyahu til å stoppe krigen. Press Netanyahu to end Gaza war, former Israeli defense chiefs ask Trump in letter https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-863123 Over 600 former senior security officials asked the US president to compel Netanyahu to end the war in Gaza. Former Mossad chief Tamir Pardo, former Shin Bet chief Ami Ayalon, and former deputy IDF chief Matan Vilnai on Sunday announced they had sent a letter to US President Donald Trump requesting that he compel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to end the current war. This information was provided to The Jerusalem Post ahead of other media. These top officials, along with top former police and foreign ministry officials, lead the Commanders for Israel’s Security (CIS) group – which now makes up over 600 former senior security officials – in making that call on Trump to intervene. It is not the first time that the group has pressed the government to shift gears and focus more on returning Israeli hostages and on a post-war plan for Gaza, but it did emphasize how desperate Israel’s situation is globally in terms of legitimacy, as well as Trump’s own recent public criticism of Israel for causing starvation in Gaza. (...) In the letter, CIS wrote to Trump, “Stop the Gaza War! On behalf of CIS, Israel’s largest group of former IDF generals and Mossad, Shin Bet, Police, and Diplomatic Corps equivalents, we urge you to end the Gaza war. You did it in Lebanon. Time to do it in Gaza as well.” Next, CIS stated, “The IDF has long accomplished the two objectives that could be achieved by force: dismantling Hamas’ military formations and governance. The third, and most important, can only be achieved through a deal: bringing all hostages home.” Moreover, they argued, “It is our professional judgment that Hamas no longer poses a strategic threat to Israel, and our experience tells us that Israel has all it takes to deal with its residual terror capabilities, remotely or otherwise. Chasing remaining senior Hamas operatives can be done later. Our hostages can’t wait.” Further, CIS wrote, “Your credibility with the vast majority of Israelis augments your ability to steer Prime Minister Netanyahu and his government in the right direction: End the war, return the hostages, stop the suffering, and forge a regional-international coalition that helps the Palestinian Authority (once reformed) to offer Gazans and all Palestinians an alternative to Hamas and its vicious ideology.” CIS has succeeded in the past in influencing Biden administration policy, and in the more distant past, sometimes the Netanyahu government’s policies. However, more recently, both Trump and Netanyahu have been on somewhat of an “anti-generals” trend whenever they face up against defense chiefs who disagree with their policies.

Gaza Health Ministry: Five died of hunger or malnutrition in past 24 hours https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-04/ty-article-live/hostages-mother-says-israeli-govt-deciding-to-carry-out-final-solution-on-hostages/00000198-7247-d7f7-a5db-ff47b9f70000 The Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry announced that five people, all adults, died of hunger or malnutrition in the past 24 hours. According to the Ministry, this brings the number of deaths from hunger or malnutrition in the Strip to 180, including 93 children.

Det hadde vært interessant om du i stedet klarte å svare på spørsmålet om hva som er «woke» med aktuelle sak. Det bør være ganske enkelt?

Anerkjennelsene av den palestinske staten er det motsatte av å belønne Hamas. Det er en offisiell stadfestelse av støtte til en palestinsk statsdannelse uten Hamas. Det er viktig at flere land gjør dette nå som Netanyahu så iherdig forsøker å utrydde mulighetene for en tostatsløsning.

Som en som har vokst opp på bygda, men som bor i Oslo, er dette noe av det mer virkelighetsfjerne jeg har lest.

I en måling i Storbritannia svarer kun 14% av briter at de er mot en anerkjennelse av Palestina. UK poll finds wide support for recognizing Palestinian state https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/uk-poll-finds-wide-support-for-recognizing-palestinian-state/ British polling firm YouGov says nearly half of Britons support recognizing a Palestinian state, based on polling samples collected last week. According to the survey of 2,013 respondents in Great Britain, 45 percent think the UK should recognize Palestine as a state, as opposed to 14% who oppose the move. Another 41% do not know.

67% av israelere svarer i en undersøkelse at de føler regjeringen ikke representerer dem. 62% ønsker en gisselavtale, mens bare 28% ønsker å intensivere krigen og militært okkupere hele Gazastripen. Kun 4% svarer at de ønsker en delvis gisselavtale, som er det Netanyahu-regjeringen sier de ønsker og jobber med. https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-most-israelis-fear-they-wont-be-able-to-travel-abroad-as-global-anger-mounts/ (...) Channel 12’s poll also indicated that 67% of respondents feel that the government’s policies don’t represent their will, with just 29% saying that the government represents them. Even among voters of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition, 44% of respondents said that the government’s policies do not represent their will, compared to 51% who said that they do. Regarding the hostages and the war in Gaza, 62% of respondents said that the government should promote a comprehensive deal to return all captives held in the Strip, while 28% said they support intensifying the military operation and occupying the entire Palestinian enclave. Meanwhile, only 4% said they support promoting a partial deal to release about half of the living hostages and dead hostages, which is the framework that has been discussed in negotiations for the past several months.

Stadig flere israelske kjendiser mener Israel begår folkemord i Gaza. With ‘broken heart,’ author David Grossman calls Israeli actions in Gaza ‘genocide’ https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-broken-heart-author-david-grossman-calls-israeli-actions-in-gaza-genocide/ Literary giant and peace activist tells Italy’s La Repubblica that the very use of the word in association with Israel signals devastating moral collapse tied to ‘the occupation’ Award-winning Israeli author David Grossman called the country’s campaign in Gaza a “genocide” on Friday for the first time, noting that he uses the term with “immense pain and a broken heart,” in conversation with the Italian daily La Repubblica. His comments came amid rising global alarm and anger over widespread hunger in the war-torn territory due to the insufficient entry of food. “For many years, I refused to use that term, ‘genocide,’” the prominent writer and peace activist told the newspaper. “But now, after the images I have seen and after talking to people who were there, I can’t help but use it. Award-winning Israeli author David Grossman called the country’s campaign in Gaza a “genocide” on Friday for the first time, noting that he uses the term with “immense pain and a broken heart,” in conversation with the Italian daily La Repubblica. His comments came amid rising global alarm and anger over widespread hunger in the war-torn territory due to the insufficient entry of food. “For many years, I refused to use that term, ‘genocide,’” the prominent writer and peace activist told the newspaper. “But now, after the images I have seen and after talking to people who were there, I can’t help but use it. “This word is an avalanche: Once you say it, it just gets bigger, like an avalanche. And it adds even more destruction and suffering,” he said. “Even just saying that word — ‘genocide’ — in reference to Israel, to the Jewish people, the fact that such a comparison is even being made, tells us that something very bad is happening to us.” Grossman’s works, which have been translated into dozens of languages, have won many international prizes.

Hva mener du ikke er politisk korrekt med reklamen? Helvete virker vel forøvrig å være løs først og fremst hos sinte menn i sosiale medier.

Jeg er ikke enig i at det er en «typisk greie med å være woke». «Woke» innebærer vel det å se, og være oppvakt for, faktisk rasisme og diskriminering. Dette er hverken faktisk rasisme eller diskriminering. Ideen din om «woke» ser ut til å være den samme som «anti-woke» sin hysteriske og overdrevne forestilling om dette.

Hva er det som gjør det «woke»?

Det over, at noen raringer har reagert på en reklame, har ingenting med «woke» å gjøre.

Det er jo helt urealistisk. Ingen land gjør det slik. Vi trenger gode ledere som ministre, ikke fagfolk. De sitter jo i departementene.

Tråden har bikka over 600 sider - og fremdeles er det ikke et eneste eksempel på "woke" presentert her så langt.

Det fine med vårt demokrati er at alle kan stille til valg, enten man ikke har noe arbeidserfaring, bare har jobbet innenfor politikken, eller har mange år på baken som noe helt annet. Å stille krav til arbeidserfaring gjør man i realiteten når man stemmer. Dersom dette er viktig for deg som velger, da er det jo bare å stemme på noen som har mye arbeidserfaring. Det ville være helt idiotisk, ikke minst udemokratisk å innføre slike ekskluderende krav.

Netanyahus sikkerhetsminister Ben-Gvir beskylder Tyskland for å "støtte nazismen igjen" (!). Denne ekstreme uttalelsen fra et høytstående israelsk regjeringsmedlem kommer etter Tysklands utenriksminister sa at prosessen med en tysk anerkjennelse av Palestina som selvstendig stat må begynne nå. Ben-Gvir accuses Germany of 'once again supporting Nazism' as FM visits Israel https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-862916 (...) Wadephul issued a statement earlier on Thursday, saying that the recognition of a Palestinian state comes more at the end of the negotiations for a two-state solution, but that process must begin now, warning Berlin would respond to "unilateral steps. "In light of open annexation threats from parts of the Israeli government, a growing number of countries - including many in Europe - are now prepared to recognize a Palestinian state even without a prior negotiation process. The region and the Middle East peace process are therefore at a crossroads," the foreign minister added." The Israeli far-Right minister took to to X/Twitter in response, claiming that "80 years after the Holocaust, Germany is once again supporting Nazism."

Australian minister says recognition of Palestinian state a matter of ‘when, not if’. https://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-minister-says-recognition-of-palestininian-state-a-matter-of-when-not-if/ “It’s a matter of when, not if, Australia recognizes a Palestinian state… but I don’t want to put a time frame on it,” Treasurer Jim Chalmers told public broadcaster ABC.

Trump convinced Netanyahu prolonging Gaza war for political reasons — report https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-convinced-netanyahu-prolonging-gaza-war-for-political-reasons-report/ White House officials tell The Atlantic that US president, eager to fulfill campaign promise to end Gaza war and foster Mideast peace, is increasingly disenchanted with PM. US President Donald Trump has come to believe that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is prolonging Israel’s war in Gaza to hold on to political power, according to two Trump administration officials who spoke to The Atlantic. The Thursday report claimed, based on several unnamed sources, that Trump and many of his aides are more eager than ever to bring the fighting in Gaza to a close amid widespread condemnation of Israel’s wartime conduct, including from a growing faction of isolationists in the Republican Party. With negotiations for a hostage and ceasefire deal once again facing steep hurdles, the American president has reportedly become convinced that Israel already achieved its military objectives in Gaza long ago, and that the current fighting is fueled chiefly by the premier’s political interests.

Sverige: Regeringen vill stoppa handeln med Israel https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/regeringen-vill-stoppa-handeln-med-israel Regeringen vill att EU sätter ekonomisk press på Israel genom att frysa handelsavtalet, med syfte att få in nödhjälp till Gaza. – Det ekonomiska trycket mot Israel måste öka, säger statsminister Ulf Kristersson (M). Sveriges regering vill frysa EU:s handelsavtal med Israel för att pressa landet att släppa in hjälpleveranser till Gaza, rapporterar Aftonbladet. Statsminister Ulf Kristersson (M) skriver på X att Israel ”inte lever upp till sina mest basala skyldigheter och gjorda överenskommelser om nödhjälp”. ”Sverige kräver därför att EU så snart som möjligt fryser handelsdelen i associeringsavtalet. Det ekonomiska trycket mot Israel måste öka. Den israeliska regeringen måste tillåta obehindrad humanitär hjälp i Gaza. Samtidigt måste trycket på Hamas öka, så att gisslan släpps omedelbart och villkorslöst. Sverige välkomnar att fler länder i Mellanöstern ställer krav på att Hamas avväpnas och inte får ha en plats i ett framtida styre av Gaza”, skriver Kristersson.