Russlands invasjon av Ukraina [Ny tråd, les førstepost]

[ForTheImperium]

Hvis Ukraina hadde hatt en kultur som vest-europeiske land har nå, hadde Russland egentlig vunnet krigen allerede? Nå tenker i baner som Frankrike, England og Tyskland. SIstnevnte virker totalt handlingslammet selv om de har avanserte våpener. Er ikke suksessen bak Ukrainas motstand mot Russland er at de er villig til å gå ganske langt for å beholde friheten deres?

[Brother Ursus]

1 hour ago, ForTheImperium said:

Hvis Ukraina hadde hatt en kultur som vest-europeiske land har nå, hadde Russland egentlig vunnet krigen allerede? Nå tenker i baner som Frankrike, England og Tyskland. SIstnevnte virker totalt handlingslammet selv om de har avanserte våpener. Er ikke suksessen bak Ukrainas motstand mot Russland er at de er villig til å gå ganske langt for å beholde friheten deres?

Det er vanskelig å si. De fleste vestlige land er nok så uvillige til å ta skadde og drepte at uten NATO, EU eller USA hadde de overgitt seg relativt raskt. Men Ukraina er et stort land, med stor befolkning, og hadde en 8 år lang "oppvarming". Hadde Russland gått helt ut i 2014 er det ikke godt å si hva som hadde skjedd. Ukraina endret seg voldsomt på de 8 årene siden Maidan-opprøret og krigen, og det tror jeg ikke Putin og russerne fikk med seg.

[Brother Ursus]

 

[Brother Ursus]

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/06/03/on-a-train-in-southern-russia-fatigued-soldiers-see-no-end-in-sight-to-war-a85283

On a Train in Southern Russia, Fatigued Soldiers See No End in Sight to War

On a recent May afternoon, a Russian train trundles through the country’s southwestern regions near the border with Ukraine.

The train’s dining car is packed with Russian soldiers. Some are heading to the front lines in Ukraine, where their country has been waging war for over two years, while others are returning home for a short leave. Most of them are drinking. 

“Making war against the Ukrainians is tough,” confesses Dima, a soldier in his 40s. “It's like fighting against some of our own.”

With his ice-blue eyes, square jaw and muscular arms, he looks like he stepped out of an old Soviet war movie.

His face shows small wounds, the result of diving face-down into a trench to escape a bomb dropped by a drone. As he sips samogon, a homemade vodka, he says he is a career soldier, with experience in the Russian Naval Infantry in Syria and now on the Kherson front in southern Ukraine.

Like the other Russian soldiers interviewed for this story, Dima’s name has been changed due to the risk of repercussions.

Dima has many relatives in Ukraine, some of whom are fighting on the side of Kyiv. He prays every day that he will not meet them on the battlefield.

Once, his unit captured a Ukrainian soldier. 

“Honestly, I felt really bad,” says Dima. “He said he didn’t want to fight, and I didn’t want to fight against him either.”

He sees that his wife is calling him, but does not pick up the phone. 

“She would be able to tell from my voice that I’m a bit tipsy and would scold me,” the soldier explains, smiling. He shows a photo of her and their four children. His expression turns gloomy; he has rarely seen them over the past two years.

Opposite Dima sits a hefty soldier named Pavel.

Before the full-scale invasion, Pavel worked as a senior specialist at one of Russia’s largest companies. He enlisted in the military as a volunteer after he had been told some of his relatives were killed by Ukrainian soldiers at the start of the war.

Today, his job is to manage anti-aircraft systems and plan offensives. Countless lives depend on his decisions, he says.

“I draw arrows on a map, and the soldiers move forward,” Pavel explains after opening yet another beer.

Sometimes, Pavel finds himself in the difficult position of sending squads of men into an attack, well aware that their chances of survival are slim. It is a distraction tactic meant to pull enemy forces’ attention from the main offensive taking place elsewhere.

“I can’t tell the men, otherwise they wouldn’t fight with the hope of winning,” the soldier explains, his eyes glistening with emotion.

“And after all this, you don’t sleep well,” he says, pointing to the grey hairs on his head that have appeared in recent months.

Because he had a high-paying job before the war, Pavel asked that his military salary be donated to an orphanage.

“I don't want to be paid to kill people,” he explains. 

Some soldiers are visibly drunk. A misunderstanding sparks a fight between Dima and another passenger; it seems they are about to come to blows, but then they calm down. They channel their tension into an improvised push-up competition between the dining car’s tables as the irritated waiters look on. 

The soldiers describe the front line as hell on earth. The losses on the Russian side are enormous: hundreds each day, some of the men say. Drones sow death from the sky, finishing off wounded soldiers on the battlefield where they lay.

Dima always keeps a grenade hanging from his belt. He would rather blow himself up than be captured and face torture.

“Many young guys I knew are dead, they weren’t even 30,” says Yegor, a family man from the republic of Tatarstan, in one of the passenger compartments.

He was called up to fight during the “partial” mobilization of 2022. “Only a few among us who were mobilized are left,” he says.

Last December, Yegor and his comrades were hiding inside a house on the Vuhledar front in the Donetsk region when a tank discovered them and opened fire, wounding him in the leg. For the injury, he was compensated 3 million rubles ($33,500), which he used to buy a new house.

Despite having shrapnel still lodged in his leg and being diagnosed with PTSD, Yegor was deemed fit for service and is heading back to the front. 

“If I didn’t risk five years in prison for desertion, I would get off the train now and go home, even by foot,” he confesses. “This war is pointless.”

Back in the dining car, another soldier smiles bitterly as he explains that he is heading to the front.

“I probably won’t make it this time,” he says, pointing to the gunshot wound on his chest, which has not yet fully healed.

 

[Brother Ursus]

 

 

Russiske OSINT og milbloggere doomposter igjen, slik de gjorde høsten 2022 og våren 2023.

Nature is healing.

[Brother Ursus]

https://news.liga.net/en/politics/news/russians-falsely-claim-victory-in-battle-for-ukraine-village-that-hasnt-existed-for-37-years

Russians falsely claim victory in battle for Ukraine village that hasn't existed for 37 years

The Russian Ministry of Defense fabricated the capture of two Ukrainian villages in Luhansk and Kharkiv oblasts

On June 11, the Russian Ministry of Defense released a statement claiming that occupiers had taken control of the villages of Artemivka in the Luhansk Oblast and Tymkivka in the Kharkiv Oblast. Voloshyn said that the village of Tymkivka had been abolished in 1987. In addition, Artemivka was renamed Myasozharivka in 2016 as part of the decommunization process.

 

Currently, Myasozharivka is under the control of the Ukrainian Defense Forces!" the spokesperson stated.

[ThumbsOfPain]

Brother Ursus skrev (1 time siden):

https://news.liga.net/en/politics/news/russians-falsely-claim-victory-in-battle-for-ukraine-village-that-hasnt-existed-for-37-years

Russians falsely claim victory in battle for Ukraine village that hasn't existed for 37 years

The Russian Ministry of Defense fabricated the capture of two Ukrainian villages in Luhansk and Kharkiv oblasts

On June 11, the Russian Ministry of Defense released a statement claiming that occupiers had taken control of the villages of Artemivka in the Luhansk Oblast and Tymkivka in the Kharkiv Oblast. Voloshyn said that the village of Tymkivka had been abolished in 1987. In addition, Artemivka was renamed Myasozharivka in 2016 as part of the decommunization process.

 

Currently, Myasozharivka is under the control of the Ukrainian Defense Forces!" the spokesperson stated.

Sjekk kilden, så vis oss ett klipp eller intervju av denne påstanden, for det finner man ikke noe sted på Liga.net siden den lenket til

[Thor.]

4 hours ago, ThumbsOfPain said:

Sjekk kilden, så vis oss ett klipp eller intervju av denne påstanden, for det finner man ikke noe sted på Liga.net siden den lenket til

https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12516304@egNews
(Må godta at HTTPS sertifikatet er ugyldig)

The units of the Zapad Group of Forces has liberated Artyomovka (Lugansk People's Republic) and Timkovka (Kharkov region).

Så da er det din tur å flytte forklaringene dine slik at de passer ditt narrativ.

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[Dragavon]

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Der var det flere av partiene som støtter Vladimir Putin som fikk framgang, og det kan ifølge norsk forsker være godt nytt for Russlands president Vladimir Putin.

- Sett med russiske øyne er det en gavepakke at de høyrenasjonalistiske partiene får så stor oppslutning i de tre største EU-landene, sier Tormod Heier, professor i militær strategi og operasjoner ved Forsvarets høgskole (FHS).

 

https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/en-gavepakke-til-putin/81524130

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USA skal sende nytt Patriot-system til Ukraina

 

USAs president Joe Biden skal sende enda et Patriot-luftvernsystem til Ukraina, skriver New York Times, som siterer amerikanske kilder.

Biden tok beslutningen etter flere møter på høyt nivå i forrige uke, skriver New York Times.

Ifølge avisen, som siterer ikke navngitte regjeringskilder i USA, står det aktuelle Patriot-luftvernsystemet i dag i Polen. Det kan bli flyttet til frontlinjen i Ukraina i løpet av noen dager, skriver avisen.

Talsmann John Kirby for USAs nasjonale sikkerhetsråd er blitt spurt om saken, men kan ikke bekrefte opplysningene.

Hvis opplysningene stemmer, vil det dreie seg om det andre amerikanskproduserte Patriot-luftvernsystemet som Ukraina får fra USA

Nice

[Dragavon]

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How come Russians still cannot see they are such a pathetic laughing stock and everybody looks down on them? Why can't Russians still see that living under the boot of psychopaths is very embarrassing?

As long as they die quietly and agree to all the Kremlin’s policies, they are “heroes.”

But as soon as they start telling the truth, describe the facts of reality, the proven Stalin’s principle is used: “No person, no problem.”

 

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[Dragavon]

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‘They knock you out and put you on the plane’ To keep its ranks filled, Russia is imprisoning objectors and sending them to war at gunpoint 

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/06/11/they-knock-you-out-and-load-you-onto-the-plane

[Brother Ursus]

1 hour ago, Homba said:

Observert det samme.

29 minutes ago, Heradon said:

De fleste som kritisere denne diskusjonen for å være et ekkokammer, noe det helt åpenbart er.  De har verken kommet med konstruktive argumenter eller kilder.

 

Den overveldende majoriteten av nordmenn støtter Ukraina. Rundt 2% støtter Russland og de fleste av dem ser ikke ut til å være mentalt helt til stede. Tråden bærer preg av det. Den bærer også preg av at dette er en av de mest moralsk sort-hvite konfliktene i historien. Vi diskuterer ikke Putins åpenbare løgnaktige propaganda og motivasjoner fordi ingen tar dem seriøst, og de faktisk har blitt motbevist i tråden gang på gang, hvis man faktisk følger med. Dersom noen her har konkrete innsigelser så disktuerer og motbeviser vi gjerne dem - det er tross alt ikke vanskelig. I tillegg fungerer dette som en løpende nyhets-tråd for de som er ekstra interesserte. Vi er alle er klar over at f.eks Twitter ikke er en solid kilde. Alt skal selvfølgelig tas med en klype salt. Og vi forsøker å bruke personer som har en lang historie med faktuelle poster. Tradisjonelle medier beveger seg alt for sakte, og rapporterer alt for lite. Noen ganger rapporterer norske medier ting som har blitt rapportert i denne tråden 6-12 måneder tidligere, som f.eks bruken av klorpicrin-gass.

Noe av poenget med en diskusjon er også å forsøke å etablere fakta. Kom gjerne med fakta som motbeviser det som postes her. Vi korrigerer hverandre ganske ofte. Og det mottas med takk.

[oddeh]

[Brother Ursus]

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-says-ukraine-will-end-this-war-on-our-terms/

Zelensky says Ukraine 'will end this war on our terms'

Zelensky told German lawmakers that Russia must pay for the damage inflicted on his country. "Those who started the war have to be held responsible," he said. "They have to be brought to justice for every war crime committed," adding that the time for compromises is over.

"As soon as [Russian President Vladimir] Putin started to burn our cities … as soon as he started to pursue murder instead of agreements and contracts, the time for compromise ended," Zelensky noted, according to Deutsche Welle.

"Putin will lose this war," the Ukrainian president stressed. "We will not allow Russia to continue to march through Europe with its contempt for life. (...) We will not pass on this war to the next generation. We will end it. We will end it in the interest of Ukraine and the interest of Europe as a whole."

Zelensky also referenced Germany's history in his address, recalling the decades the country was divided by the Berlin Wall: "You can understand us in Ukraine, you can understand why we are fighting so hard against Russia's attempts to divide Ukraine, why we are doing everything we can to make sure there is not a new wall in our country."

"Russia is standing against all of us alone, so we all have to force Russia to change, and it is possible, because there is no wall that cannot be brought down."

Tipper denne appellen var ment særlig for Øst-Tyskland og AFD-velgere.

[Brother Ursus]

 

[Brother Ursus]

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/other/dozens-of-powerful-anti-aircraft-guns-the-u-s-bought-for-ukraine-have-arrived/ss-BB1nWLBj

Dozens of powerful anti-aircraft guns the U.S. bought for Ukraine have arrived

Ukraine has finally received the large supply of powerful self-propelled anti-aircraft guns the United States bought for Kyiv almost one year ago, according to a statement posted by The Ukrainian Air Force on their social media.  

The U.S. bought 60 Gepards for Ukraine

The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf was the first media organization to report the U.S. The Department of Defense had acquired sixty German Gepard self-propelled anti-aircraft guns from Jordan for €110 million or roughly $120 million at the time. 

Disse gepardene er visst også oppgraderte med ny optikk og nye datamaskiner.

[Brother Ursus]

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/margaret-thatcher-gave-damning-assessment-putin-resurfaced-clip-1772344

A resurfaced clip of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher giving a damning assessment of Russian President Vladimir Putin during the early years of his presidency has gone viral online.

In the video, recorded at Millsaps College in Jackson, Mississippi, on September 20, 2000, Thatcher slammed Putin's lack of humanity during the Kursk submarine disaster.

The disaster resulted in the deaths of all 118 people onboard after it sank in the Arctic Ocean following a series of explosions during a naval exercise on August 12 that year.

Putin, who was inaugurated for the first time in May 2000, received criticism after he continued his vacation in the Russian city of Sochi as the crisis unfolded.

[Brother Ursus]

https://x.com/DonbasDIY/status/1800614484517822797

En lang tråd om økende russisk høyreekstremisme og nynazisme. De legger ikke akkurat skjul på det. Likevel snakker de om å denazifisere det demokratiske Ukraina, som har jødiske ledere med familie som døde i Holocaust - ved å sende nynazister dit, bla. for å jakte nettopp på Zelensky i krigens tidligste dager.