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Musikk suger ikke fordi du ikke liker det... Det er forskjell på å mislike musikk og det å påstå at det er dårlig musikk. Hvis du påstår Metallica rett og slett er dårlig, ja da vet ikke jeg heh

Støttes. Begynner å bli ganske lei av å lese de som hevder å ha fasitsvar på hvilken musikk som er "elendig", uten å ta med at det er deres egen mening. Ikke det at jeg irriterer meg over det, men synes det er forferdelig ignorant, og vinner i alle fall ikke min respekt på det. Musikk er subjektivt, og man kan i alle fall ikke si at et band som selger milliontalls plater og selger ut konserter over hele verden lager elendig musikk. Er mulig dette er noe man vokser ut av, jeg bruker i alle fall aldri mer si at et band er elendig, jeg vet at andre liker musikken, og det er det som betyr noe. At jeg selv ikke liker/hører på det er en annen sak.

 

Dette er ingen personlig kritikk da, men jeg må innrømme at det er første gang jeg hører (og jeg har vært borti/pratet med ganske mange metallica-fans igjennom tiden) noen mene Whiskey er det beste de har gjort. Ble litt satt ut der, men som sagt, folk må få mene absolutt hva de vil, så lenge de kan innse at folk har ulik smak. Min mening... ;)

Kan ikke bli mer enig! :thumbup:

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Forøvrig så spiller det liten rolle at Cliff var Lizzy-fan, Whiskey in the Jar er ikke en Lizzy-originallåt, men en gammel irsk-folke låt, som nevnt. Han hadde sikkert likt den, men antagelig ikke som "det beste Metallica har gjort". Det er selvfølgelig umulig å vite, men det er hvertfall min mening da, og sannsynlig en god del andre.

Har du hørt disse sangene :

Thin Lizzy - Whiskey in the Jar

Metallica - Whiskey in the Jar

?

De er helt like, bare Metallica synger den på en "tyngre" måte...

Thin Lizzy har fått ideèn fra en gammel irsk folkesang, og ikke kopiert den. Har du hørt den orginale Whiskey in the Jar?

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Musikk er subjektivt, og man kan i alle fall ikke si at et band som selger milliontalls plater og selger ut konserter over hele verden lager elendig musikk. Er mulig dette er noe man vokser ut av, jeg bruker i alle fall aldri mer si at et band er elendig, jeg vet at andre liker musikken, og det er det som betyr noe. At jeg selv ikke liker/hører på det er en annen sak.

For å sette det på spissen, men allikevel følge opp poenget ditt:

 

Er det galt av meg å si at Sputniks musikk suger, med tanke på at han har solgt vanvittig bra i norge?

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He he!

 

Uansett så er dette et meningsforum, og hvis jeg sier at Metallica er dårlig, så bør de andre forstå at det er min mening, og at jeg ikke prøver å få det til å virke som om det er et ferdig diskutert synspunkt generelt sett.

 

Hvis man ikke fikk komme med meninger, så ville dette forumet dauet ut ganske raskt.

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He he!

 

Uansett så er dette et meningsforum, og hvis jeg sier at Metallica er dårlig, så bør de andre forstå at det er min mening, og at jeg ikke prøver å få det til å virke som om det er et ferdig diskutert synspunkt generelt sett.

 

Hvis man ikke fikk komme med meninger, så ville dette forumet dauet ut ganske raskt.

Nå har du skjønt det... _mening_, ikke objektiv sannhet... Når man framlegger synspunkter som er så enormt subjektive, så hjelper det på folks godvilje når du innrømmer at dette er din mening og ikke noe som er opplest og vedtatt. Dette blir bare sett på som trolling og har egentlig ikke noe med topic her å gjøre i det hele tatt. Det ble stilt spørsmål om Whiskey In The Jar og Thin Lizzy og Metallicas tolkning. Dette er derfor ikke den riktige tråden å ta opp i om Metallica er dårlig til å lage musikk eller ei.

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Angående WITJ, så var kanskje uttalelsen min sist litt dårlig, det kan nok hende at det er en ren covring av Thin Lizzy. Jeg har dessverre ikke hørt Lizzys versjon, men har hørt den originale (iallefall ifølge en musikklærer på skolen) og synes ikke den var så totalt forskjellig fra Metallicas verson, annet enn annerledes type musikk og litt forskjellige vers. Refrenget var så godt som identisk tekstmessig/akkordmessig, så jeg anså dette som originalen. Mulig jeg tar feil der, og i såfall skal jeg trekke meg fra forrige påstand om at Lizzy ikke har originalen av låta. Om de skulle stå oppført som "eiere" av låta på Garage Inc, så er det vel ingen tvil heller...

 

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Angående det med Sputnik så hadde ikke jeg ville sagt at han lager dårlig musikk nei, ettersom det finnes flere (spesielt fra den eldre generasjonen :p ) som får noe ut av låtene hans, og i den grad er det faktisk ikke dårlig musikk i følge meg. Det er ikke noe jeg ville hørt på, men har godtatt at endel andre liker sånn type musikk. Selvfølgelig ligger det som regel underbevisst at dette er din egen mening, men synes i hvertfall det kan være en fordel om man skriver dette med. For å lese påstander som "Metallica lager elendig musikk" punktum, virker litt for ignorant mener jeg. Om jeg skulle kalt noe elendig musikk, måtte det være enkelte garasjeopptak med skurrete lyd/falsk vokal/instrumenter/tilfeldig plunking på gitarer/trommer uten takt og mening der det er såpass opplagt at musikerne ikke har noe særlig med talent overhodet og ikke en gang prøver... Men, det er igjen min mening da.

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Jeg er ganske sikker på at Thin Lizzy har originalen. I hvertfall på det musikalske oppsettet. Om det er en gammel folkevise eller hva som ble hevdet, spiller ingen rolle.

Metallica har gjort en god cover, og jeg vil ikke kalle det plagiat, men mer en hyllest til Thin Lizzy. Tror uansett det var den opprinnelige meningen fra Metallica sin side, men dessverre så utnyttet de suksessen og informerte vel ikke tydelig nok om at det ikke var deres låt. Det satt nok mange fjortiser rundt omkring den gang og trodde dette var en splitter ny låt.

WIJ er en musiksalsk tolkning med Metallicas preg over det lydmessige, mens tekst og rytme følges helt identisk med Thin Lizzys låt.

 

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Sputnik suger. Bare vedgå at du mener det. Du har lov å ha egne meninger. Hvis du ikke mente å være ironisk eller et eller annet, så vinner du ingen respekt hos meg heller.

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JAOK.

Nå tror jeg at jeg har fått svar på dette 100 ganger.

Jeg har nå rapportert denne tråden.

Dere trenger ikke å skrive nye innlegg om svaret, som allerede har blitt oppklart, fordi dere vil snakke om sputnik suger, eller ikke.

 

btw: tusen takk til de som har gitt meg svar :D

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Får rette det til at Thin Lizzy var første band som gjorde en moderne rocketolkning av denne tradisjonelle låten.

Hei,

 

Bra du kan finne ut av å genta fakta jeg allerede har skrevet tidligere i denne tråd :thumbdown:

 

Mvh

Kimmer

Nåda, karer....Horslips var vel noen minutter før Lynott og Co med rockeversjon av WITJ.

 

Og ikke BEGYNN å diskutere.

 

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