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debattklovn skrev (9 minutter siden):

Skylden ligger hos mistenkte i de aller fleste politiskytinger. Det er fakta. I svært, svært få tilfeller ser vi at politiet dreper en mann som ikke utgjør en aktivt trussel mot dem, som for eksempel Floyd. 

Beklager da, jeg trodde du snakket om uskyldige folk, ikke kriminelle som truer politiet.

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jjkoggan skrev (1 time siden):

Hvis "det beste tiltaket for å redusere politivold" er ofrenes oppførsel, så er det i hovedsak ofrenes skyld.

Svarte kriminelle som trekker våpen mot politiet og prøver å skyte politi er ikke ofre.

Disse svarte kjeltringene i USA selger dop, raner, knivstikker, skyter folk og spiller offer når de blir tatt av politiet.

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PerBertil skrev (6 minutter siden):

Bevisbyrden ligger på deg.

George Floyd var ikke et godt menneske, men en notorisk kriminell som hadde langt rulleblad og som hadde truet gravide kvinner under væpnede ran.

For en fyr å sette opp statuer av.

Du har sett beviset.  Jeg trenger ikke [å gjenta det.

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PerBertil skrev (57 minutter siden):

Kan du legge frem statistikk som underbygger uttalelsen din?

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Based on information from more than two million 911 calls in two US cities, he concluded that white officers dispatched to Black neighbourhoods fired their guns five times as often as Black officers dispatched for similar calls to the same neighbourhoods4 (see ‘Answering the call’).

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w26774/w26774.pdf

 

 

There are large racial differences in police use of nonlethal force. My research team analyzed nearly five million police encounters from New York City. We found that when police reported the incidents, they were 53% more likely to use physical force on a black civilian than a white one. In a separate, nationally representative dataset asking civilians about their experiences with police, we found the use of physical force on blacks to be 350% as likely. This is true of every level of nonlethal force, from officers putting their hands on civilians to striking them with batons. We controlled for every variable available in myriad ways. That reduced the racial disparities by 66%, but blacks were still significantly more likely to endure police force.

 Compliance by civilians doesn’t eliminate racial differences in police use of force. Black civilians who were recorded as compliant by police were 21% more likely to suffer police aggression than compliant whites. We also found that the benefits of compliance differed significantly by race. This was perhaps our most upsetting result, for two reasons: The inequity in spite of compliance clashed with the notion that the difference in police treatment of blacks and whites was a rational response to danger. And it complicates what we tell our kids: Compliance does make you less likely to endure a beat-down—but the benefit is larger if you are white.

 

 

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jjkoggan skrev (15 timer siden):

Sure

 

Based on information from more than two million 911 calls in two US cities, he concluded that white officers dispatched to Black neighbourhoods fired their guns five times as often as Black officers dispatched for similar calls to the same neighbourhoods4 (see ‘Answering the call’).

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w26774/w26774.pdf

 

 

There are large racial differences in police use of nonlethal force. My research team analyzed nearly five million police encounters from New York City. We found that when police reported the incidents, they were 53% more likely to use physical force on a black civilian than a white one. In a separate, nationally representative dataset asking civilians about their experiences with police, we found the use of physical force on blacks to be 350% as likely. This is true of every level of nonlethal force, from officers putting their hands on civilians to striking them with batons. We controlled for every variable available in myriad ways. That reduced the racial disparities by 66%, but blacks were still significantly more likely to endure police force.

 Compliance by civilians doesn’t eliminate racial differences in police use of force. Black civilians who were recorded as compliant by police were 21% more likely to suffer police aggression than compliant whites. We also found that the benefits of compliance differed significantly by race. This was perhaps our most upsetting result, for two reasons: The inequity in spite of compliance clashed with the notion that the difference in police treatment of blacks and whites was a rational response to danger. And it complicates what we tell our kids: Compliance does make you less likely to endure a beat-down—but the benefit is larger if you are white.

 

 

Nå begår også svarte uproporsjonelt mye kriminalitet.

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PerBertil skrev (1 time siden):

Nå begår også svarte uproporsjonelt mye kriminalitet.

Det forklarer ikke hvorfor hvite politiet bruker sine våpen 5 ganger oftere enn svarte politiet på de samme svarte nabolagene for det samme kriminalitet. ifølge undersøkelsen.   Bare så det er klart,  så er det 5 ganger sannsynligere at et hvit politimann bruker sitt våpen mot svarte enn en svart politimann for lignende kriminelle handlinger.

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jjkoggan skrev (1 time siden):

Det forklarer ikke hvorfor hvite politiet bruker sine våpen 5 ganger oftere enn svarte politiet på de samme svarte nabolagene for det samme kriminalitet. ifølge undersøkelsen.   Bare så det er klart,  så er det 5 ganger sannsynligere at et hvit politimann bruker sitt våpen mot svarte enn en svart politimann for lignende kriminelle handlinger.

Jo, det gjør det. Fordi det veldig ofte svarte som trekker våpen. Derfor er de mer forsiktige med svarte. Dette er enkel matte.

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