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  1. 1. Skal dere ta vaksinen for covid-19?

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Simen1 skrev (18 minutter siden):

Jeg har mange føtter. To stykker faktisk. Ikke noe som skurrer for deg når du omtaler to stk som mange? ;)

Du klarer tydeligvis ikke telle til 3 for det var nettopp hva karen jeg svarte hadde tatt av vaksiner og jeg refererte til at han tok influensa vaksinen som da ble vaksine nummer 3 med grunnlaget at immunforsvaret var blitt dårligere gjennom pandemien.

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DaniNichi skrev (5 timer siden):

Ja du tror det blir bedre av å fylle kroppen med vaksiner ? Bare spør ? 

Som du nok kanskje husker fra en annen tråd har jeg vesentlig flere vaksiner i år enn tre, og ja, jeg tror at kroppen min har det bedre nå. Den lager antistoffer og et parat for meg 🥰 Jeg senker risikoen betraktelig for å få livmorhalskreft eller plagsomme kjønnsvorter med HPV vaksinen (tok Gardasil-9), forhåpentligvis blir jeg ikke smittet på jobb av syke pasienter med influensa og lungebetennelse. Nylig var det er lite utbrudd hepatitt A, da kjentes det veldig godt å være vaksinert med hepatitt A+B, pluss at det det gjør det mye enklere for meg hvis jeg skulle ønske å reise ut av landet. Boostrix (4-1 vaksine) er kjekk å ha, spesielt stivkrampen hvis jeg skulle være uheldig å bli bitt av et dyr. Så lenge man opprettholder minimumsintervaller og følger legens anbefaling så er det bare å kjøre på. Som jeg jo nevnte tidligere i en annen tråd trenger man jo absolutt ikke å kjøre 12 vaksiner på ett år, det er helt innafor å spre de litt utover, men det er mange vaksiner som er kjekke å fylle kroppen sin med, foruten korona. 

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5 hours ago, DaniNichi said:

Kilde ? Spurte egentlig ikke deg, men du har vel tid rote fram noen kilder på det han skrev.

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    1. Plotkin, S. A. et al. The science of vaccine safety: Summary of meeting at Wellcome Trust. in Vaccine vol. 38 1869–1880 (Elsevier Ltd, 2020).
    2. Plotkin, S., Orenstein, W. & Offit, P. Vaccines. The Lancet Infectious Diseases vol. 8 (Elsevier, 2008).
    3. Roush, S. W. et al. Historical comparisons of morbidity and mortality for vaccine-preventable diseases in the United States. Journal of the American Medical Association vol. 298 2155–2163 (2007).
    4. Simons, E. et al. Assessment of the 2010 global measles mortality reduction goal: Results from a model of surveillance data. Lancet 379, 2173–2178 (2012).
    5. ASCIA Acute Management of Anaphylaxis. (2020).
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    7. Lemon, S. M. & Thomas, D. L. Vaccines to Prevent Viral Hepatitis. N. Engl. J. Med. 336, 196–204 (1997).
    8. Neuzil, K. M., Dupont, W. D., Wright, P. F. & Edwards, K. M. Efficacy of inactivated and cold-adapted vaccines against influenza A infection, 1985 to 1990: The pediatric experience. Pediatr. Infect. Dis. J. 20, 733–740 (2001).
    9. Stratton, K., Ford, A., Rusch, E. & Clayton, E. W. Adverse effects of vaccines: Evidence and causality. Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality (National Academies Press, 2012). doi:10.17226/13164.
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Men påvirkes immunforsvaret i en positiv eller negativt retning generelt om man tar en vaksine ? Som eks vil en person som nå siden immunforsvaret er litt slått ut av all smittevern få et bedre forsvar generelt mot sykdom og annet, enn hva en person som avstår fra influensa vaksinen? Sett at begge unnslipper bli smitte av influensa.

 

 

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DaniNichi skrev (12 minutter siden):

Men påvirkes immunforsvaret i en positiv eller negativt retning generelt om man tar en vaksine ?

Positiv retning. Kroppen lager antistoffer både ved å bli syk eller ta vaksine, men noen sykdommer er jo så alvorlige at det beste måten å immunisere seg på er ved å ta vaksine. Enkelte kropper er også så svake at de ikke ville tålt å bli syk "på ekte", men med vaksine kan de oppnå beskyttelse på en skånsom måte. Men ja, du kan se vaksinasjon som en snill og den tryggeste måte for kroppen å oppnå immunitet. 

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22 minutes ago, DaniNichi said:

Ba om ikke om hva du linker til..

Men påvirkes immunforsvaret i en positiv eller negativt retning generelt om man tar en vaksine ? Som eks vil en person som nå siden immunforsvaret er litt slått ut av all smittevern få et bedre forsvar generelt mot sykdom og annet, enn hva en person som avstår fra influensa vaksinen? Sett at begge unnslipper bli smitte av influensa.

Effektiviteten til immunforsvaret påvirkes veldig lite av en vaksine annet enn rett etter den er tatt. Hovedårsaken til at de forventer mer influensasmitte i år er fordi folk, etter nesten to år med smittevern, ikke har vært eksponert for de nye influensavariantene. Det gjør folk mer mottakelige for de nye variasjonene fordi de er annerledes, ikke fordi immunforsvaret har blitt dårligere. Hvis du skal ta influensavaksine én gang dette tiåret tror jeg nå er perioden du får mest ut av den.

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Gouldfan skrev (53 minutter siden):

Jeg venter spent på dose 3, synes det er så fint at vaksinen gis gratis i våre land med Velstand og Velferd.

Vaksinen gjør at vi kan ta norske cruise med Fjordline i jul, gleder oss.

Har du fått en dato for den? :) min amerikanske familie fullførte nylig dose 3 :)

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Plonky skrev (57 minutter siden):

Hovedårsaken til at de forventer mer influensasmitte i år er fordi folk, etter nesten to år med smittevern, ikke har vært eksponert for de nye influensavariantene. Det gjør folk mer mottakelige for de nye variasjonene fordi de er annerledes, ikke fordi immunforsvaret har blitt dårligere.

hvis våre forfedre hadde hatt tilgang til influensavaksiner, la si siste 1000 år, ville vi dauet som fluer i dag av å bli smittet av ymse influensavirus.

Men de hadde som vi vet ikke vaksiner, derfor ble vi i viss grad motstandsdyktige gjennom arv.

Enkelte dyr er immune mot slangegift, en nyttig egenskap det har tatt mange generasjoner å opparbeide.- "ville de vært det, hvis "de" hadde vaksiner?"

Jeg ser jo selvsagt den spontane nytteverdien av influensavaksine/koronavaksine, men rent evolusjonmessig er det vel ikke særlig smart? :hmm:

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3 minutes ago, Mr.M said:

hvis våre forfedre hadde hatt tilgang til influensavaksiner, la si siste 1000 år, ville vi dauet som fluer i dag av å bli smittet av ymse influensavirus.

Men de hadde som vi vet ikke vaksiner, derfor ble vi i viss grad motstandsdyktige gjennom arv.

Enkelte dyr er immune mot slangegift, en nyttig egenskap det har tatt mange generasjoner å opparbeide.- "ville de vært det, hvis "de" hadde vaksiner?"

Jeg ser jo selvsagt den spontane nytteverdien av influensavaksine/koronavaksine, men rent evolusjonmessig er det vel ikke særlig smart? :hmm:

Dette er feil. Fra et immunologisk ståsted er det ingen forskjell mellom å være utsatt for Koronaviruset eller Koronavaksinen. Poenget med en vaksine er å opparbeide beskyttelse mot et virus uten at du trenger å bli smittet av det. Slangegift er ikke et virus og er derfor irrelevant i denne sammenhengen. 

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Plonky skrev (1 minutt siden):

Dette er feil. Fra et immunologisk ståsted er det ingen forskjell mellom å være utsatt for Koronaviruset eller Koronavaksinen

der mener jeg du tar feil.

Antistoffene, t-celler, hukommelseceller, skal være av mye bedre kvalitet ved naturlig gjennomgått covid-19, vs. vaksine.

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3 minutes ago, Mr.M said:

der mener jeg du tar feil.

Antistoffene, t-celler, hukommelseceller, skal være av mye bedre kvalitet ved naturlig gjennomgått covid-19, vs. vaksine.

Jeg mener det du skrev var feil, ja. Du klarer helt fint selv å vise at du ikke er noen ekspert på dette. Hvis du har lyst til å motbevise meg kan du begynne med å forklare hvordan antistoffer, b-celler, hukommelsesceller og lymfesystemet henger sammen. 

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GiaMahan skrev (3 timer siden):

Som du nok kanskje husker fra en annen tråd har jeg vesentlig flere vaksiner i år enn tre, og ja, jeg tror at kroppen min har det bedre nå. Den lager antistoffer og et parat for meg 🥰 Jeg senker risikoen betraktelig for å få livmorhalskreft eller plagsomme kjønnsvorter med HPV vaksinen (tok Gardasil-9), forhåpentligvis blir jeg ikke smittet på jobb av syke pasienter med influensa og lungebetennelse. Nylig var det er lite utbrudd hepatitt A, da kjentes det veldig godt å være vaksinert med hepatitt A+B, pluss at det det gjør det mye enklere for meg hvis jeg skulle ønske å reise ut av landet. Boostrix (4-1 vaksine) er kjekk å ha, spesielt stivkrampen hvis jeg skulle være uheldig å bli bitt av et dyr. Så lenge man opprettholder minimumsintervaller og følger legens anbefaling så er det bare å kjøre på. Som jeg jo nevnte tidligere i en annen tråd trenger man jo absolutt ikke å kjøre 12 vaksiner på ett år, det er helt innafor å spre de litt utover, men det er mange vaksiner som er kjekke å fylle kroppen sin med, foruten korona. 

Har du virkelig ingen motforestillinger til vaksinehysteriet? Kroppen er ingen vaskemaskin.

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