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On 5/26/2021 at 7:45 PM, Kryptodebunker said:

Endelig begynner lab lekkasje hypotesen å bli tatt på alvor. Jeg er overbevist om at koronaviruset er ett modifisert flaggermus virus som inkompetente kinesere har sølt ut fra labben sin. 

https://www.minervanett.no/drastic-sars-cov-2-who/laboratoriene-i-wuhan-gjennomforte-viruseksperimenter-med-darlig-sikkerhet/381196

 

 

Det kan godt hende at det er. Men, USA klarer "aldri" å bevise det. Selv om det skulle være en sannhet at det har lekket ut av en biologisk krigføringslaboratorie eller et forskningsprosjekt som ikke skulle nyttes til krigføring, men for å lære, elns.. Så føles det hele som en stor svertekampanje for å forsøke å få andre land med på sin side til USA. Rett og slett fordi Kina allerede har tatt forbi USA som verden sterkeste økonomiske makt.

Det er dette USA er sure for. Forundrer meg ikke om de bruker CIA for hva det er verdt, ala noen skitne triks. Vi har sett mange skitne triks fra USA opp igjennom nyere historie.

Det finnes fortsatt en mulighet for at det kommer i fra naturen via disse wet markets. Men, kan selvsagt være en dekkhistorie av Kina. Er åpen for det meste som forklaring. Men, man bør også få øynene opp for hvordan USA driver propaganda.

Ikke for å gi støtte til Saddam H. og hans politiskreligiøse følgere. Men, det var en latterlig powerpoint presentasjon i fra USA som dro i gang krigen mot "ondskapens akse" som fortalte om mobile laboratorier, som dratt ut av hatten, eller i fra spionfilmer ala JB007. Så USA har nær historie som alle kan huske. Samt de har også ødelagt store deler av mellom-amerika og sør-amerika med CIA.

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:utakt skrev (17 minutter siden):

Et lyspunkt i fremveksten av "den indiske" i England er at vaksinene hjelper. Fullvaksinerte blir i mindre grad syke. Smitten sprer seg primært i yngre, uvaksinerte aldersgrupper. 

 

 

Men bare 36% er fullvaksinert i UK enda og det er mindre beskyttelse etter første dose

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Det kan godt hende at det er. Men, USA klarer "aldri" å bevise det. Selv om det skulle være en sannhet at det har lekket ut av en biologisk krigføringslaboratorie eller et forskningsprosjekt som ikke skulle nyttes til krigføring, men for å lære, elns.. Så føles det hele som en stor svertekampanje for å forsøke å få andre land med på sin side til USA. Rett og slett fordi Kina allerede har tatt forbi USA som verden sterkeste økonomiske makt.

Det er dette USA er sure for. Forundrer meg ikke om de bruker CIA for hva det er verdt, ala noen skitne triks. Vi har sett mange skitne triks fra USA opp igjennom nyere historie.

Det finnes fortsatt en mulighet for at det kommer i fra naturen via disse wet markets. Men, kan selvsagt være en dekkhistorie av Kina. Er åpen for det meste som forklaring. Men, man bør også få øynene opp for hvordan USA driver propaganda.

Ikke for å gi støtte til Saddam H. og hans politiskreligiøse følgere. Men, det var en latterlig powerpoint presentasjon i fra USA som dro i gang krigen mot "ondskapens akse" som fortalte om mobile laboratorier, som dratt ut av hatten, eller i fra spionfilmer ala JB007. Så USA har nær historie som alle kan huske. Samt de har også ødelagt store deler av mellom-amerika og sør-amerika med CIA.

Du bør lese deg opp litt før du blander inn politikk. Hvorfor nektet Kina WHO tilgang til blodprøver fra de første koronasyke i Wuhan? Hvorfor er prøvene destruert? Hvorfor blir journalister som prøver å ta seg til en grotte der et virus som er ganske likt SARS-CoV-2 stoppet av militæret?

Hvorfor ble informasjon om dette like viruset først publisert nå over ett år etter utbruddet? Viruset ble samlet inn for mange år siden.

Hvorfor oppstod nettopp pandemien i Wuhan? Der nettopp virus forskningslaboratoriet ligger. Man har tatt prøver fra over 1000 dyr rundt om Wuhan og ingen match.

Flere anerkjente virus forskere har signert ett brev til Nature der de sier at muligheten for at viruset lakk ut av ett laboratorium må undersøkes ordentlig.

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On 30 December 2019, the Program for Monitoring Emerging Diseases notified the world about a pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan, China (1). Since then, scientists have made remarkable progress in understanding the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), its transmission, pathogenesis, and mitigation by vaccines, therapeutics, and non-pharmaceutical interventions. Yet more investigation is still needed to determine the origin of the pandemic. Theories of accidental release from a lab and zoonotic spillover both remain viable. Knowing how COVID-19 emerged is critical for informing global strategies to mitigate the risk of future outbreaks.

In May 2020, the World Health Assembly requested that the World Health Organization (WHO) director-general work closely with partners to determine the origins of SARS-CoV-2 (2). In November, the Terms of Reference for a China–WHO joint study were released (3). The information, data, and samples for the study's first phase were collected and summarized by the Chinese half of the team; the rest of the team built on this analysis. Although there were no findings in clear support of either a natural spillover or a lab accident, the team assessed a zoonotic spillover from an intermediate host as “likely to very likely,” and a laboratory incident as “extremely unlikely” [(4), p. 9]. Furthermore, the two theories were not given balanced consideration. Only 4 of the 313 pages of the report and its annexes addressed the possibility of a laboratory accident (4). Notably, WHO Director-General Tedros Ghebreyesus commented that the report's consideration of evidence supporting a laboratory accident was insufficient and offered to provide additional resources to fully evaluate the possibility (5).

As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.

Finally, in this time of unfortunate anti-Asian sentiment in some countries, we note that at the beginning of the pandemic, it was Chinese doctors, scientists, journalists, and citizens who shared with the world crucial information about the spread of the virus—often at great personal cost (8, 9). We should show the same determination in promoting a dispassionate science-based discourse on this difficult but important issue.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

Kina har lekket ut både influensa og SARS 1 ut av laboratorium flere ganger opp gjennom historien.

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A brief, terrifying history of viruses escaping from labs: 70s Chinese pandemic was a lab mistake

The danger of a manmade pandemic sparked by a laboratory escape is not hypothetical

https://nationalpost.com/news/a-brief-terrifying-history-of-viruses-escaping-from-labs-70s-chinese-pandemic-was-a-lab-mistake/wcm/d66182f3-8080-445f-9bb2-5ae107940d22/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

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Kjempebra det, men for England sin del blir det nok et kappløp med tiden nå. Å begynne å vaksinere disse nå og bare ha 33% fullvaksinert er skummelt når den indiske varianten sprer seg slik den gjør nå. For de som ikke har fått første stikket må man regne med iallfall 6-12 uker? før vaksinen gir effekt og innen da har kanskje tallene mangedoblet seg.

Jeg er glad vi bor i Norge. Har stor tro på at vi klarer å komme mye lenger med vaksineringen før vi får en såpass spredning av den indiske varianten som vi ser i England. For Norge sin del tror jeg vi kan vinne kappløpet, for England sin del ser det dårlig ut..

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Kjempebra det, men for England sin del blir det nok et kappløp med tiden nå. Å begynne å vaksinere disse nå og bare ha 33% fullvaksinert er skummelt når den indiske varianten sprer seg slik den gjør nå. For de som ikke har fått første stikket må man regne med iallfall 6-12 uker? før vaksinen gir effekt og innen da har kanskje tallene mangedoblet seg.

Jeg er glad vi bor i Norge. Har stor tro på at vi klarer å komme mye lenger med vaksineringen før vi får en såpass spredning av den indiske varianten som vi ser i England. For Norge sin del tror jeg vi kan vinne kappløpet, for England sin del ser det dårlig ut..

Vi taper nok her og dessverre. Den indiske vil være dominerende her og innen midten av juli.

Men heldigvis bruker vi ikke AstraZeneca eller Jannsen slik at de eldre som vil være fullvaksinert er beskyttet mot den indiske mutasjonen.

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Timeline: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible

Early speculation

Dec. 30, 2019: The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission issues an “urgent notice” to medical institutions in Wuhan, saying that cases of pneumonia of unknown cause have emerged from the city’s Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.

 

Jan. 5, 2020: Earliest known tweet suggesting China created the virus. @GarboHK tweeted: “18 years ago, #China killed nearly 300 #HongKongers by unreporting #SARS cases, letting Chinese tourists travel around the world, to Asia specifically to spread the virus with bad intention. Today the evil regime strikes again with a new virus.”

 

Jan. 23: A Daily Mail article appears, headlined: “China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan — and U.S. biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a virus could ‘escape’ the facility that’s become key in fighting the outbreak.”

Jan. 26: The Washington Times publishes an article with the headline: “Coronavirus may have originated in lab linked to China’s biowarfare program.” An editor’s note is added March 25: “Since this story ran, scientists outside of China have had a chance to study the SARS-CoV-2 virus. They concluded it does not show signs of having been manufactured or purposefully manipulated in a lab.”

 

Jan. 26: A study by Chinese researchers published in the Lancet of the first 41 hospitalized patients in Wuhan who had confirmed infections found that 13 of the 41 cases, including the first documented case, had no link to the seafood marketplace that originally was considered the origin of the outbreak.

 

Jan 30: Sen. Tom Cotton, speaking at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, says: “This coronavirus is a catastrophe on the scale of Chernobyl for China. But actually, it’s probably worse than Chernobyl, which was localized in its effect. The coronavirus could result in a global pandemic.” He adds: “I would note that Wuhan has China’s only biosafety level-four super laboratory that works with the world’s most deadly pathogens to include, yes, coronavirus.”

Feb. 3: WIV researchers report in the journal Nature that the novel coronavirus spreading around the world was a bat-derived coronavirus. The report said SARS-CoV-2 is 96.2 percent identical at the whole-genome level to a bat coronavirus named RaTG13.

 

Feb. 6: Botao Xiao, a molecular biomechanics researcher at South China University of Technology, posts a paper stating that “the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.” He pointed to the previous safety mishaps and the kind of research undertaken at the lab. He withdrew the paper a few weeks later after Chinese authorities insisted no accident had taken place.

 

Feb. 9: In response to criticism from China’s ambassador that Cotton’s remarks are “absolutely crazy,” the senator tweets: “Here’s what’s not a conspiracy, not a theory: Fact: China lied about virus starting in Wuhan food market. Fact: super-lab is just a few miles from that market. Where did it start? We don’t know. But burden of proof is on you & fellow communists. Open up now to competent international scientists.”

Feb. 16: Cotton, in response to a Washington Post article critical of him, offers four scenarios on Twitter: “1. Natural (still the most likely, but almost certainly not from the Wuhan food market) 2. Good science, bad safety (e.g., they were researching things like diagnostic testing and vaccines, but an accidental breach occurred). 3. Bad science, bad safety (this is the engineered-bioweapon hypothesis, with an accidental breach). 4. Deliberate release (very unlikely, but shouldn’t rule out till the evidence is in). Again, none of these are ‘theories’ and certainly not ‘conspiracy theories.’ They are hypotheses that ought to be studied in light of the evidence.”

Scientists respond

Feb. 19: A statement is published in Lancet by a group of 27 scientists: “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that covid-19 does not have a natural origin,” the statement says. Scientists “overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife.” The statement was drafted and organized by Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, which funded research at WIV with U.S. government grants. (Three of the signers have since said a laboratory accident is plausible enough to merit consideration.)

 
 

March 11: Scientific American publishes a profile of virologist Shi Zhengli, who heads a group that studies bat coronaviruses at WIV. “I had never expected this kind of thing to happen in Wuhan, in central China,” she said. If coronaviruses were the culprit, she remembers thinking, “Could they have come from our lab?” The article said that after the virus emerged, Shi frantically went through her own lab’s records from the past few years to check for any mishandling of experimental materials, but she “breathed a sigh of relief when the results came back: none of the sequences matched those of the viruses her team had sampled from bat caves.” She told the magazine: “That really took a load off my mind. I had not slept a wink for days.”

March 17: An analysis published in Nature Medicine by an influential group of scientists states: “Although the evidence shows that SARSCoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD [receptor- binding domain] and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.”

The intelligence community weighs in

March 27: A Defense Intelligence Agency assessment on the origin of the coronavirus is updated to include the possibility that the new coronavirus emerged “accidentally” due to “unsafe laboratory practices.”

 
 

April 2: David Ignatius, writing in The Washington Post, notes: “The prime suspect is ‘natural’ transmission from bats to humans, perhaps through unsanitary markets. But scientists don’t rule out that an accident at a research laboratory in Wuhan might have spread a deadly bat virus that had been collected for scientific study.”

April 14: Josh Rogin, writing in The Post, reveals that in 2018, State Department officials visited the WIV and “sent two official warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab, which was conducting risky studies on coronaviruses from bats. The cables have fueled discussions inside the U.S. government about whether this or another Wuhan lab was the source of the virus — even though conclusive proof has yet to emerge.”

April 22: Yuri Deigin, a biotech entrepreneur, in a long and detailed post on Medium, reviews “gain-of-function” research undertaken at the lab and concludes that “from a technical standpoint, it would not be difficult for a modern virologist to create such a strain” as the new coronavirus. He adds: “The opposite point is worth repeating too: the inverse hypothesis about the exclusively natural origin of the virus does not yet have strong evidence either.”

 
 

April 24: Under pressure from the White House, the National Institutes of Health terminates the grant to EcoHealth Alliance that funded study of bat coronaviruses at WIV.

April 30: President Donald Trump tells reporters: “You had the theory from the lab. … There’s a lot of theories. But, yeah, we have people looking at it very, very strongly.”

April 30: In a rare statement, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence says: "The Intelligence Community also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified....The IC will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.”

 
 

May 3: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says in an interview with ABC News: “There’s enormous evidence that that’s where this began. … Remember, China has a history of infecting the world, and they have a history of running substandard laboratories. These are not the first times that we have had the world exposed to viruses as a result of failures in a Chinese lab.”

May 18: The Seeker, an anonymous Twitter user, posts a medical thesis describing a mine in Mojiang, Yunnan, where miners fell ill with a viral-induced pneumonia in 2012.

June 4: Milton Leitenberg, writing in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, reviews the history of lab safety and the type of research conducted at WIV and argues that the lab-leak theory cannot be easily dismissed. “The pros and cons regarding the two alternative possibilities—first, that it arose in the field as a natural evolution, as many virologists maintain, or second, that it may have been the consequence of bat coronavirus research in one of the two virology research institutes located in Wuhan that led to the infection of a laboratory researcher and subsequent escape—are equally based on inference and conjecture,” he says.

New evidence emerges

July 4: The Times of London reports that a virus 96 percent identical to the coronavirus that causes covid-19 was found in an abandoned copper mine in China in 2012. The bat-infested copper mine in southwestern China was home to a coronavirus that left six men sick with pneumonia, with three eventually dying, after they had been tasked with shoveling bat guano out of the mine. This virus was collected in 2013 and then stored and studied at WIV.

July 28: Jamie Metzl, a former Clinton administration national security official, writes in The Wall Street Journal that “suggesting that an outbreak of a deadly bat coronavirus coincidentally occurred near the only level 4 virology institute in all of China—which happened to be studying the closest known relative of that exact virus—strains credulity.” He calls for a “comprehensive forensic investigation must include full access to all of the scientists, biological samples, laboratory records and other materials from the Wuhan virology institutes and other relevant Chinese organizations. Denying that access should be considered an admission of guilt by Beijing.”

July 31: Science magazine publishes an interview with Shi Zhengli of WIV. She said it was impossible for anyone at the institute to have been infected, saying “to date, there is ‘zero infection’ of all staff and students in our institute.” She added: “President Trump’s claim that SARS-CoV-2 was leaked from our institute totally contradicts the facts. It jeopardizes and affects our academic work and personal life. He owes us an apology.” In the interview, she admitted that some coronavirus research was conducted at biosafety level 2, not the more restrictive BSL-4.

Nov. 2: David A. Relman, a Stanford University microbiologist, writes in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences: “The ‘origin story’ is missing many key details, including a plausible and suitably detailed recent evolutionary history of the virus, the identity and provenance of its most recent ancestors, and surprisingly, the place, time, and mechanism of transmission of the first human infection.”

Nov. 17: An influential paper written by Rossana Segreto and Yuri Deigin is published: “The genetic structure of SARS-CoV-2 does not rule out a laboratory origin.” The paper noted that “a natural host, either direct or intermediate, has not yet been identified.” It argues that certain features of the coronavirus “might be the result of lab manipulation techniques such as site-directed mutagenesis. The acquisition of both unique features by SARS-CoV-2 more or less simultaneously is less likely to be natural or caused only by cell/animal serial passage.” The paper concluded: “On the basis of our analysis, an artificial origin of SARS-CoV-2 is not a baseless conspiracy theory that is to be condemned,” referencing the Lancet statement in February.

Nov. 17: WIV researchers, including Shi, post an addendum to their Feb. 3 report in Nature, acknowledging that RaTG13, the bat coronavirus closely associated with the coronavirus, was found in a mine cave after several patients had fallen ill with “severe respiratory disease” in 2012 while cleaning the cave.

Jan. 4, 2021: New York magazine publishes a lengthy article by Nicholson Baker, who reviews the evidence and concludes the lab-leak scenario is more compelling than previously believed.

Jan. 15: Days before Trump leaves office, the State Department issues a “fact sheet” on WIV that states: “The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both covid-19 and common seasonal illnesses. … The WIV has a published record of conducting ‘gain-of-function’ research to engineer chimeric viruses. But the WIV has not been transparent or consistent about its record of studying viruses most similar to the covid-19 virus, including ‘RaTG13,’ which it sampled from a cave in Yunnan Province in 2013 after several miners died of SARS-like illness.”

Jan. 20: Joe Biden becomes president.

Feb. 9: A joint report by the World Health Organization and China declares: “The findings suggest that the laboratory incident hypothesis is extremely unlikely to explain introduction of the virus into the human population.”

Feb. 11: WHO Secretary General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus refuses to rule out the lab-leak scenario. “Some questions have been raised as to whether some hypotheses have been discarded,” he said. “I want to clarify that all hypotheses remain open and require further study.”

Feb. 19: National security adviser Jake Sullivan issues a statement about the WHO report: “We have deep concerns about the way in which the early findings of the COVID19 investigation were communicated and questions about the process used to reach them. It is imperative that this report be independent, with expert findings free from intervention or alteration by the Chinese government. To better understand this pandemic and prepare for the next one, China must make available its data from the earliest days of the outbreak.”

March 4: Prominent scientists from around the world, in an open letter to WHO, call for a new investigation into the origins of the virus, saying the previous investigation was flawed. The letter detailed the elements of a “full and unrestricted” investigation. (Additional letters are released April 7 and April 30.)

March 22: The Australian newspaper reports: “Wuhan Institute of Virology researchers working on corona­viruses were hospitalized with symptoms consistent with covid-19 in early November 2019 in what U.S. officials suspect could have been the first cluster.”

March 28: “60 Minutes” airs report on lingering questions about the origins of the coronavirus, featuring Metzl and former deputy national security adviser Matt Pottinger. “There was a direct order from Beijing to destroy all viral samples -- and they didn’t volunteer to share the genetic sequences,” Pottinger says, quoting from declassified intelligence information.

May 5: Former New York Times science reporter Nicholas Wade, writing in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, reviews the evidence and makes a strong case for the lab-leak theory. He focuses in particular on the furin cleavage site, which increases viral infectivity for human cells. His analysis yields this quote from David Baltimore, a virologist and former president of the California Institute of Technology: “When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus. These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2.”

May 14: Eighteen prominent scientists publish a letter in the journal Science, saying a new investigation is needed because “theories of accidental release from a lab and zoonotic spillover both remain viable.” One signer is Ralph Baric, a virologist who worked closely with Shi.

May 17: Another former New York Times science reporter, Donald G. McNeil Jr., posts on Medium: “How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love the Lab-Leak Theory.” He quotes W. Ian Lipkin of Columbia University — who had signed the March 2020 letter in Nature Medicine — as saying his mind had changed in light of new information.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/25/timeline-how-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/

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I Japan planlegges det fortsatt å avholde OL om noen uker, tross advarsler som har fått mye omtale de siste dagene.


Top Japanese doctor warns Tokyo games could create 'Olympic' coronavirus variant
https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20210527-top-japanese-doctor-warns-tokyo-games-could-create-olympic-coronavirus-variant-travel-sport-pandemic-health

Tokyo Olympics could trigger new Covid variant, expert warns
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/japan/tokyo-olympics-japan-covid-variant-b1854886.html

Tokyo Games could lead to Olympic coronavirus variant - Japanese doctor
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/japan-reassures-olympics-can-be-safe-extended-state-emergency-eyed-2021-05-27/

COVID-19: Tokyo games could lead to emergence of 'Olympic' COVID variant, warns top Japanese medic
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tokyo-games-could-lead-to-emergence-of-olympic-covid-variant-warns-top-japanese-medic-12318159

 

Man peker bla. på NBA-boblen som skal ha vært noenlunde effektiv, men lekene kan naturligvis by på utfordringer man ikke hadde der.
Så da får man se om det blir en mutasjon fra Tokyo som går for gull. :p

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7 hours ago, Kryptodebunker said:

Det finnes alltid en ny variant 🤦 Vietnamesisk krysning av britisk og indisk mutasjon.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1398632687347421192?s=20

 

Begynner vel å nærme oss smittsomhet lik meslinger nå. Den er vel på R0=12 mener jeg. 

Ganske sykt at virus kan merge på denne måten. Få de verste egenskapene til to allerede ille varianter. 

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Man tenker at de faktiske dødstallene av Covid-19 er 3 til 4 ganger høyere enn rapportert på global basis. Da er vi på et nummer rundt 9-12 millioner døde. Til sammenligning døde 75  millioner (40mil sivile) samlet under alle årene i WW2.

 

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Dødstallene i India synker for første gang på 12 uker. Nå er det for første gang på lenge under 3000 dødsfall daglig. Dette er dog "bare" de offisielle, mørketallene er antagelig veldig mye høyere.

New York Times har en artikkel om dødstallene i India. Ekspertene mener at opp til 4.2 millioner mennesker kan ha dødd der, men at tallet sannsynligvis er mellom 1.6 millioner og 3 millioner et sted. Vanvittig.

 

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